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Jan 29, 2022 20:55:26   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Well said, Parky.

I've seen Genesis 1:1 displayed in an even more concise manner:

"In the beginning God!"


Parky60 wrote:
So, let's start in Genesis 1:1, with what I consider the most controversial passage of the entire Bible. It says this; "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

If you believe that, nothing else in the Bible is hard to believe. Nothing existed and God created it all out of nothing. God created the universe, the heavens, everything you see, everything you don't see. He created it all. And then He created earth as a special one of the planets to be inhabited by all humankind; the crown of His creation. If you believe that, there's nothing else in the Bible that will be hard for you to believe.

But most people don't make it out of Genesis 1:1 without saying, "No, that's not how it happened." There's no way there was a God who created everything out of nothing, let alone on six literal days. Listen, God created everything out of nothing in six literal 24 hour days, 'cause that's what the Word of God teaches. So, at the end of our day, if we can believe chapter one and verse one, then everything else is not a problem.

So, chapter 1 verse one says that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And so, we see that the earth was formless and void, and there was darkness over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving on the surface of the waters.

You may say so what? But what we have here with further revelation is the Triune God. In the beginning, God, the Hebrew Elohim, plural, the strong, powerful God, created the heavens and the earth. So, who all was there?

In John 1:1, John, speaking of Jesus says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." So, who else was there?

Jesus.

And who else was there? The Holy Spirit hovering over the waters.

So, what do you have? The Father, Son and Holy Spirit creating everything!

Here's what we also know. Because God was the only eyewitness at creation, His testimony is the only one that counts, right?

Charles Darwin wasn't there.

We weren't there.

Nobody else was there.

Anytime you don't believe that God is the only one who created. And anytime you don't believe the way He said what He did, it's because you'd rather believe man's ideas than what God has to say in His Word. It's as simple as that. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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Jan 29, 2022 21:20:33   #
Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile
 
skyrider wrote:
Indeed, if any readers of this thread would be willing to share an experience that they might have had, it would be
the way that this could be analyzed at a much deeper level. Accounts could be compared and hopefully lead to more
verification overall.


Hi everyone, this is a good place for me to jump in because I have had, and continue to have fairly regular, joyous, substantial, bordering on physical, encounters with Almighty God; the Uncreated Creator, the Prime Mover, the Intelligent Designer, our Heavenly Father, the Universal Mind.

Some encounters were literally physical, observable miracles, more frequently they are private revelations.

I will enjoy telling the tales, and commenting on logic and philosophy, but my posts will be rather spread out. I hope we can find a way to maintain our collection of paraspectives over the long haul. I will avoid proselytizing and instead write in a factual, scientific, objective style as much as I can.

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Jan 29, 2022 21:30:48   #
Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile
 
What sets this little group apart from the population as a whole is our willingness to entertain the possibility of the supernatural.

Atheism and agnosticism are on the rise, and although people still are interested in tales of the supernatural they are far less likely to incorporate that other realm into their daily lives.

It's such a shame, to settle for the shallow and pedantic secular life when it is so easy and richly rewarding to take that step towards, to paraphrase the Ghost Busters, 'Being Ready to Believe. '

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Jan 29, 2022 21:39:07   #
Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile
 
I said I would not proselytize, but there is something that I must say that is an important ground rule for being in sync with the UM.

It is Saturday evening as I post this, tomorrow morning I will experience the High Point of my week, as I do every week...

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Jan 29, 2022 22:45:12   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Zemirah wrote:
https://bahaiteachings.org/the-universal-mind-and-you/

Manning, I have no desire or intention to be part of your intended group with it's intended subject of inquiry, but do have a few comments.

First, the Bahai teaching (of Bahá'u'llá) website posted at the top of the page uses your "Universal Mind" label, if not concept. The Baháʼí Faith began on May 22, 1844, as an offshoot of Islam. Their motto: "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."

My initial thought on the "Universal Mind" was of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's "noosphere," born on May 1st, 1881 to Emmanuel and Berthe-Adele Teilhard de Chardin - his mother was the great grandniece of Francois-Marie Arouet, known as Voltaire.

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955) was a French geologist, anthropologist, and Jesuit priest.
He was considered a visionary as he developed an evolutionary vision of our planetary future, developing from a sphere of life, or biosphere towards a sphere of mind, or noosphere - later identified with the internet. He wrote "The Formation of the Noosphere," in 1947... Teilhard was said to be on the brink of formulating the internet, he also anticipated current academic efforts toward globalization, as well as human, cultural and technological evolution.

In reading through the initial comments on this thread, as a Christian, and lifelong student of Comparative Religion, including their history, founders, countries, dates, beliefs, etc., of Christianity, Judaism, Islam and other major World Religions, as well as Cults, the Occult, Philosophers, Psychologists, and Dictators/Tyrants, I found the lack of spiritual knowledge and discernment displayed by very serious, intelligent, well educated, upstanding citizens in their right mind, somewhat surprising.
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I see. Which means I don't see, if you are talking about myself. Both sky, JW and I are not attempting to enter into the Theology that others have seized upon. We are very simply trying to figure out how to access what we call the Universal Mind. Both of us have had experiences that tell us that there is something there, and we may be able to connect with it by some non-verbal means as "it" connected with us multiple times. We are curious about UM.

If this means we are stirring up a hornet's nest due to our total ignorance of what UM really is, we will back off, I am sure. I am mindful of my own spirituality and intend to preserve it and protect it from any threat, and I am sure that sky and JW feel the same. The key word here is ignorance, and the next key word is curiosity. Do you have any thoughts about this approach? We are open to any and all thoughts. Help us out!

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Jan 29, 2022 23:14:51   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
manning5 wrote:
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I see. Which means I don't see, if you are talking about myself. Both sky, JW and I are not attempting to enter into the Theology that others have seized upon. We are very simply trying to figure out how to access what we call the Universal Mind. Both of us have had experiences that tell us that there is something there, and we may be able to connect with it by some non-verbal means as "it" connected with us multiple times. We are curious about UM.

If this means we are stirring up a hornet's nest due to our total ignorance of what UM really is, we will back off, I am sure. I am mindful of my own spirituality and intend to preserve it and protect it from any threat, and I am sure that sky and JW feel the same. The key word here is ignorance, and the next key word is curiosity. Do you have any thoughts about this approach? We are open to any and all thoughts.
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It would be a horror if the origin was from Satan, wouldn't it?

One question I posed for myself was are we talking about the mind of God, or are we talking about a mind system that exists on its own, not intimately connected with God, per se, or Satan! If the former, I suggest that our quest will not proceed unless we become far more aware of what this means, spiritually and otherwise.

There is the possibility that we are reacting to a phenomena that originates from other than God, such as from other advanced life-forms in the universe or even on earth, which changes the situation drastically. The fact is, we are most likely not going to be able to make any forward steps here without spiritual guidance, humility, and our innate intelligence. Further to this second possibility, my wife and I have had several deep contacts with people that seem to have a gift of seeing the future somehow and predicting our separate personal future events with considerable accuracy. How is that possible? It is of the same kind of communication that we are ascribing to the UM. If those people did it why can't we all?

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Jan 29, 2022 23:51:40   #
skyrider
 
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
What sets this little group apart from the population as a whole is our willingness to entertain the possibility of the supernatural.

Atheism and agnosticism are on the rise, and although people still are interested in tales of the supernatural they are far less likely to incorporate that other realm into their daily lives.

It's such a shame, to settle for the shallow and pedantic secular life when it is so easy and richly rewarding to take that step towards, to paraphrase the Ghost Busters, 'Being Ready to Believe. '
What sets this little group apart from the populat... (show quote)


I'm glad to see your openness, Roamin. Thanks for your post. Hopefully we can find a way to organize this whole discussion of Universal Mind and its obvious direct effects on our existence.

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Jan 29, 2022 23:56:24   #
RobertV2
 
manning5 wrote:
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You are tying yourself in knots over the word God. If you believe in God, simply use it as it is your belief. EOS!


No. I was merely using the same word that had been used by at least one other person in some earlier comments, and I spelled it as it was in those comments.

Later at least one other person came along and apparently cared more about how the word is spelled; and, upon seeing a question about it, I explained it according to my own opinion and past experience.

You use the phrase "believe in", and I know that's a common usage, but it is not a phrase I use much; I'm more likely to use the phrase "believe that". As some people used "God" and "G-d" a lot in their posts, I say in passing that I believe that God (or G-d) exists, but I find that incidental to what needs to be said to answer the original post; it's just an aside (with respect to my own answer to the original post).

I don't know what you mean by "EOS".

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Jan 30, 2022 01:09:38   #
JW
 
skyrider wrote:
Everyone uses that connection or there would only be "awareness" . Consciousness is much more than awareness because we are "aware that we are aware". A concept that is not produced by the brain (not computable), but rather is a product of the mind.


I see that differently. Consciousness is nothing more than the ability to respond to stimuli.

stimulus
[ˈstimyələs]
NOUN
stimuli (plural noun)

a thing or event that evokes a specific functional reaction in an organ or tissue.
"areas of the brain which respond to auditory stimuli"

a thing that rouses activity or energy in someone or something; a spur or incentive.



That is the definition I have known all of my life. By that definition, an automatic yard light, tripped by a motion detector, is conscious.

Awareness is the ability to assess stimuli, to understand why the yard light came on.

awareness noun

aware·​ness | \ ə-ˈwer-nəs \
Definition of awareness

: the quality or state of being aware : knowledge and understanding that something is happening or exists

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Jan 30, 2022 01:21:07   #
JW
 
manning5 wrote:
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Good! We agree! Does JW agree?

Our real first steps are simple: 1. collect and document what we do know about UM/UC. 2. Use what we find out about means for accessing the UM to make strong attempts to achieve that. 3. We either succeed or fail at this point, singly or collectively. I am assuming that we will know when we succeed! In addition, the more people we have trying the better, I believe! I classify this approach as a Bottom Up one, not a Top Down one. In general, you can begin anywhere, of course, in your research, but some approaches are easier than others. In the end, you will course through it all anyway, if you have success. The UM itself will tell us what is true, I suppose! Which leads me to believe we should figure out just what we must ask of the UM in step 1.
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I have no objection to the steps you laid out, but I think you are starting too far down the road. We need to synchronize our watches, so to speak.

What are we meaning by awareness, consciousness, universal mind, and the various terms we will be using? What are the inherent characteristics of those things.

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Jan 30, 2022 01:29:38   #
JW
 
skyrider wrote:
What's with the inability to spell the word GOD. I would really like to know.


Some beliefs regard any mention of God, other than teaching or praying, to be taking the lord's name in vain. Not spelling it out is a work-around. It demonstrates one's intent to not blaspheme.

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Jan 30, 2022 01:33:07   #
JW
 
skyrider wrote:
It would be great if this topic could evolve into its own section. We have 3 now, Main, Introduce, and chit chat.
How about a fourth? Any name suggestions that could be given to Admin for this?


How about Metaphysics and the Paranomal.

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Jan 30, 2022 01:38:32   #
JW
 
Ricktloml wrote:
So if you have a conclusion to the question and you are firm in that conclusion you shouldn't comment. Some discussion.


Comment all you like but don't feel badly if you get ignored. This topic is not based on religious or scientific facts; more on speculation. It is about the paranormal. The position that truth is being dispensed is a bit too committed to fit into this topic.

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Jan 30, 2022 01:41:22   #
JW
 
RobertV2 wrote:
I _imagine_ or _feel_ that there is a G-d that loves me. What we imagine can be important. What we feel can be important. What we usually call "physical reality" is sometimes less important than what we feel.

I occasionally imagine some property of G-d. For example, I feel that we live in a 4-dimensional space (3 spatial dimensions and 1 time dimension). In this 4-D space everything that has ever happened is preserved, similarly as an insect can be preserved in amber. Moreover, a G-d which exists in 5-D (or more-than-5-D) space can look down on the 4-D space (similarly as a 3-D entity can look down on a 2-D plane); and, looking down upon it, might, perhaps, view the entirety of the 4-D space: what we call the past, present, and future.

I often feel that there's a G-d which knows everything. I do feel guilty about doing or saying a bad thing, even if I'm not found out about it by other people. It's bad enough that I had to witness myself doing or saying the bad thing. To me it is as though there is a G-d that sees all of it.
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If God has access to our minds, your feelings would be accurate assessments.

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Jan 30, 2022 06:29:14   #
Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile
 
manning5 wrote:

One question I posed for myself was are we talking about the mind of God, or are we talking about a mind system that exists on its own, not intimately connected with God, per se, or Satan! If the former, I suggest that our quest will not proceed unless we become far more aware of what this means, spiritually and otherwise.



In order to contribute to this discussion in the most open, broadest way I will use the term UM as default, but will use the title God when referring to the Creator or Heavenly King. God's actual name, as He revealed to us, translated into English, is I AM WHO AM. It is very interesting to ponder this, to meditate upon the Holy Name of God. It is the beginning of the understanding of eternity. It puts the pre-bang, Big Bang and Creation into perspective.

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