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An AR-15 killed 26 people in four minutes at Sandy Hook Elementary: is that what the Founding Fathers had in mind for the 2nd Amendment?
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Dec 21, 2021 05:59:23   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Who is trying to force their distorted version of Christianity on everyone else?

If you know anything about Christianity it is their duty to spread the word. Distorted? In what way? There are certainly varying interpretations of the Bible yet distorted is a strong word. Who’s to say what is distorted? That’s why I’d like to hear your definition. I don’t believe it’s being forced on anyone. Someone not accepting of the religion is not denied anything. They’re free to decline and go about their daily lives. Christianity is not preventing them from doing as they wish. I understand the point you were trying to make but I think you’ve made a very poor comparison.

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Dec 21, 2021 06:32:52   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
JR-57 wrote:
If you know anything about Christianity it is their duty to spread the word. Distorted? In what way? There are certainly varying interpretations of the Bible yet distorted is a strong word. Who’s to say what is distorted? That’s why I’d like to hear your definition. I don’t believe it’s being forced on anyone. Someone not accepting of the religion is not denied anything. They’re free to decline and go about their daily lives. Christianity is not preventing them from doing as they wish. I understand the point you were trying to make but I think you’ve made a very poor comparison.
If you know anything about Christianity it is thei... (show quote)


I think prosperity gospel is a distortion of Christianity. Pastors should not be living in mansions and asking for funds for another jet.

Jesus did not condemn homosexuality but Christians do.

Pushing Christian education in public schools is wrong.

Pastors preaching politics is wrong.

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Dec 21, 2021 06:58:47   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I think prosperity gospel is a distortion of Christianity. Pastors should not be living in mansions and asking for funds for another jet.

Jesus did not condemn homosexuality but Christians do.

Pushing Christian education in public schools is wrong.

Pastors preaching politics is wrong.

Thanks for the clarification and response. We agree on many things. I live in South Carolina and the area has a strong Baptist influence. I drive by some of the mega churches and can’t help but think they’re sending the wrong message. I’ve never heard the phrase prosperity gospel. I’ll agree it does seem like a distortion of Christianity. I believe any religious teaching should not be a part of the publicly funded school system and it’s not. There are many private Christian schools for people to choose from. I also believe in a school voucher system. Let parents decide where to send their children without having the additional financial burden of choosing a private school. I think the competition would improve the public school system. I believe everyone should be able speak about their political stance, regardless of their profession.

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Dec 21, 2021 07:00:47   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
JR-57 wrote:
Thanks for the clarification and response. We agree on many things. I live in South Carolina and the area has a strong Baptist influence. I drive by some of the mega churches and can’t help but think they’re sending the wrong message. I’ve never heard the phrase prosperity gospel. I’ll agree it does seem like a distortion of Christianity. I believe any religious teaching should not be a part of the publicly funded school system and it’s not. There are many private Christian schools for people to choose from. I also believe in a school voucher system. Let parents decide where to send their children without having the additional financial burden of choosing a private school. I think the competition would improve the public school system. I believe everyone should be able speak about their political stance, regardless of their profession.
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Dec 21, 2021 07:01:32   #
Rose42
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I think prosperity gospel is a distortion of Christianity. Pastors should not be living in mansions and asking for funds for another jet.


Its not really Christianity. There’s more to the prosperity gospel than Jesus wanting you to be rich

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Jesus did not condemn homosexuality but Christians do.


Jesus also didn’t explicitly condemn pedophilia, incest or bestiality. The bible is explicit about the homosexual lifestyle being a sin. Christianity doesn’t condemn homosexuals, they point out the chosen lifestyle goes against God’s word

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Pushing Christian education in public schools is wrong.


Where are they doing this? And how?

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Pastors preaching politics is wrong.


According to who? They have a right to express their opinion. My opinion is they should stay out of politics though.

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Dec 21, 2021 10:17:43   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I think prosperity gospel is a distortion of Christianity. Pastors should not be living in mansions and asking for funds for another jet.

Jesus did not condemn homosexuality but Christians do.

Pushing Christian education in public schools is wrong.

Pastors preaching politics is wrong.


You men like Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

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Dec 21, 2021 19:11:58   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
It was reported in the MSM. Or what Donny told you to not believe.

If you paid attention to the real world and not the heavily censored right wing news you would know.

Do a search, there are many examples.


The 'MSM'?? You mean the biased leftist MSM controlled by the Democrats who want Americans disarmed and leave them defenseless against tyranny?? THAT MSM??

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Dec 21, 2021 19:32:20   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
The Christians opposition to abortion is recent. It was promoted to increase the political strength of conservatives by republicans.

https://www.rawstory.com/evangelicals-abortion/

When conservative leader Paul Weyrich and evangelical preacher Jerry Falwell created the Christian Right in the 1970s, they noticed that the abortion issue engaged right-wing Christians who might otherwise be uninterested in politics.

Basic manipulation. Some people are easily manipulated.

If you have been taught not to question religious fairy tales it is probably like shooting sheep in a sheep pen.
The Christians opposition to abortion is recent. I... (show quote)


'Christian abortion is recent"???? Abortion is murder which you support!! You know NOTHING about Christianity and Raw Story is as far left as they come, supporting the murders of the unborn who show a heartbeat at 7 weeks!! Ther are no words for the contempt I have for you!!!

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Dec 21, 2021 19:38:28   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I think prosperity gospel is a distortion of Christianity. Pastors should not be living in mansions and asking for funds for another jet.

Jesus did not condemn homosexuality but Christians do.

Pushing Christian education in public schools is wrong.

Pastors preaching politics is wrong.
Jesus on homosexuality
In the conversation about the morality of homosexuality or lack thereof, one point brought up by those arguing for the legitimacy of homosexual unions is that the Bible only condemns it in about six places, and none of those are from the mouth of Jesus.Since Jesus is the leader of the Christian religion, we must follow Him and if He never condemns homosexuality, then neither should we.

The first issue with this is that every word in the Bible is inspired, whether it comes in red or black letters. The words of Moses or Paul are no less inspired than the words of Matthew or Luke that were originally spoken by Jesus.

However, this is not the only flaw with this argument as Jesus actually does address homosexuality, just indirectly rather than explicitly condemning it.

In Matthew 19, Jesus is asked a question about marriage and divorce. We read His response in verses 4 through 6: “’Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.’”


BIBLE IN AMERICAN SCHOOLS 1700-1900
The Bible itself was used for learning to read and for reading in the schools; the ABCs were learned by use of Bible names like A is for Adam, B is for Boaz, C is for Caleb, etc.. Bible passages were selected to be read based on level of vocabulary. Bible stories and principles were taught; Bible history was learned by selecting historical passages for reading, and Bible principles were emphasized by memorizing the ten commandments. Attitudes toward God and the Bible were instilled by use of both prose and poetry extolling the Bible as God’s word and by reading the Bible both devotionally and to study English. Passages from Psalms, Proverbs, and the sermon on the mount as well as parts of the Pentateuch, Job, and the prophets were read to teach Biblical morality.

Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States

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Dec 21, 2021 19:40:06   #
martsiva
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Old thinker poor argument here, did our 2nd amendment stop any violence? No, It brought more. No one here that I know of is blaming the guns, it is definitely the people, which is why they shouldn't be in possession of them, correct? Duh Your simplistic resolve is quite archaic to say the least.


You bet the 2nd amendment stopped a lot of violence!! Are you so ignorant that you actually believe that criminals will not have guns and prey on those who don`t??? The 2nd amendment gives Americans the right to defend themselves against the criminal element who would create more violence!!

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Dec 21, 2021 19:46:36   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
martsiva wrote:
You bet the 2nd amendment stopped a lot of violence!! Are you so ignorant that you actually believe that criminals will not have guns and prey on those who don`t??? The 2nd amendment gives Americans the right to defend themselves against the criminal element who would create more violence!!

Abundant historical evidence indicates the Second Amendment was meant to leave citizens with their inherent right and ability to defend themselves against unlawful violence. These threats might come from usurpers of governmental power or they might also come from criminals whom the government is unwilling or unable to control.

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Dec 21, 2021 19:48:39   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Who is trying to force their distorted version of Christianity on everyone else?


You cannot deny what I posted so you sidestep with this?? OK - so tell us what is the right version of Christianity!!

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Dec 21, 2021 20:27:28   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I think prosperity gospel is a distortion of Christianity. Pastors should not be living in mansions and asking for funds for another jet.

Jesus did not condemn homosexuality but Christians do.

Pushing Christian education in public schools is wrong.

Pastors preaching politics is wrong.


The prosperity gospel is a distortion of Christianity and those preaching it are not even close to being real Christians!! Oh Yes - Jesus did condemn homosexuality!!

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Dec 21, 2021 21:06:45   #
Ricktloml
 
rumitoid wrote:
As visionary as they were in creating "the great experiment" called the Republic of America, could they have possibly seen 18 of the deadliest mass shootings in modern US history, or the almost weekly mass gun violence and daily homcides? Muskets were one shot. (Yes, there were a few developments of weapons capable of firing more than a single round at the time but they were not mainstream.)

Are they to be blamed for a lack foresight in the future capacity of firearms to kill many? Maybe we can go back and give them this list to contemplate when they wrote "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." (That word "infringed" is the problem. All the other Amendments, including the most important 1st Amendment, have had various needed federal, call it, infringements.)

Let them read this, all non-combatants:
Las Vegas, October 1, 2017 — 59 dead, more than 850 wounded

Orlando, June 12, 2016 — 50 dead, 53 wounded

Virginia Tech University, April 16, 2007 — 32 dead, 17 wounded

Sutherland Springs, Texas, November 5, 2017 — 26 dead, 20 wounded

Sandy Hook Elementary School, December 14, 2012 — 26 dead, two wounded, all mostly young children

Killeen, Texas, October 16, 1991 — 23 dead, 27 wounded

San Ysidro, California, July 18, 1984 — 20 dead, 16 wounded

Parkland, Florida, February 14, 2018 — 17 dead, 17 wounded


El Paso, August 3, 2019 – 22 dead, 24 wounded

University of Texas-Austin, August 1, 1966 — 15 dead, 31 wounded

San Bernardino, California, December 2, 2015 — 14 dead, 22 wounded

Edmond, Oklahoma, August 20, 1986 — 14 dead, 7 wounded

Okay, I think that is more than enough. I feel if they had this list that the 2nd Amendment would be far more restrictive, heavily infringed upon out of basic decency and the common good. But the Right thinks there is nothing to do about the epidemic violence of guns. On the Right they call it "the price of freedom." (That's our children they are talking about.)

The States have gun control laws--which is the best argument against their do-nothing attitude. Strict here and loose there is not control; it is chaos and ridiculous. Federal gun controls, universal for the nation, will help. Nothing we do will end the violence, yet we need to do something soon to at least lessen it. Please think hard about it. Merry Christmas.
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An AR-15, (or any other gun,) didn't kill anyone. Guns are inanimate objects that can do nothing

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