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An AR-15 killed 26 people in four minutes at Sandy Hook Elementary: is that what the Founding Fathers had in mind for the 2nd Amendment?
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Dec 19, 2021 11:13:15   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
American Vet wrote:
Not an uncomfortable truth - just a plain old "untruth" that ELWNJ spout frequently.


So anyone with a different option is a wing nut. 😂

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Dec 19, 2021 11:20:18   #
American Vet
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
No, it isn't, it's about right leaning representatives kowtowing to gun lobbyist and not what the people want. This has been shown poll after poll of what the people want. So they prevent bills and changes being made and none of these changes ever include confiscation of guns unless you're a criminal or unbalanced.


Wrong (as usual)

Remember Hurricane Katrina and the events there?

And here are some more for you. Confiscation has occurred and is a real danger.

DOJ Releases Biden Gun Confiscation Order Legislation
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/doj-releases-biden-gun-confiscation-order-legislation

The provision allows military judges and magistrates to issue a “military court protective order” for the purpose of protecting the victim of stalking, domestic violence, rape, and sexual assault, among other offenses. Like similar “red flags” laws passed by dozens of states, the law would allow a judge to confiscate firearms before the alleged perpetrator has been convicted of any crime.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/congress-just-snuck-a-gun-confiscation-provision-into-latest-military-spending-bill/

https://greatamericanpolitics.com/2021/01/atf-working-with-biden-for-mass-confiscation-and-outlawing-of-guns/

The confiscation of guns from citizens by police in the United States is more common than most people think. Recent news reports reveal that incidents of questionable firearms seizures occur all over the country — and are on the rise.

Just as disturbing, it is common for police to seize and keep weapons even if no criminal charges are filed, or if the case if dismissed.
https://www.offthegridnews.com/self-defense/guns-ammo/gun-confiscation-by-police-on-the-rise-coast-to-coast/

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Dec 19, 2021 11:22:29   #
American Vet
 
RascalRiley wrote:
So anyone with a different option is a wing nut. 😂


No - just those who espouse far left, inane options.

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Dec 19, 2021 11:36:22   #
guzzimaestro
 
Nothing like a bunch of ignorant liberal turds on a sweeping generalization rant.

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Dec 19, 2021 11:55:43   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
guzzimaestro wrote:
Nothing like a bunch of ignorant liberal turds on a sweeping generalization rant.


I'll bet they don't even know what AR stands for.

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Dec 19, 2021 11:59:06   #
guzzimaestro
 
amadjuster wrote:
I'll bet they don't even know what AR stands for.


Just tell 'em it means always right,haha

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Dec 19, 2021 12:16:36   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
American Vet wrote:
No - just those who espouse far left, inane options.


Are you a Trump supporter? Just asking so I have an idea of what you consider far left.

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Dec 19, 2021 14:26:30   #
Old Thinker
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Old thinker poor argument here, did our 2nd amendment stop any violence? No, It brought more. No one here that I know of is blaming the guns, it is definitely the people, which is why they shouldn't be in possession of them, correct? Duh Your simplistic resolve is quite archaic to say the least.


You liberals like using the word archaic when you don't have a plausible argument. The second amendment stops radicals like you who want to take any self defense away from "We the people." I don't doubt that there would be less violence if we lived under totalitarian rule, unarmed. limited in our freedom, told what to eat and afraid to speak our mind. Our enemies, both foreign and domestic know that it is much easier to conquer a helpless people... So if you cowards want to retreat and give up all the freedoms that courageous men have fought for then I suggest you go elsewhere and create your utopian society... btw. you say no one is blaming the gun?.. what a joke... the thread title is "An AR-15 killed 26 people in four minutes..." Your ideology is simplistic and ruthless... How many do you think would die fighting to keep their rights?.. I know, to you it doesn't matter because the end justifies the means..

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Dec 19, 2021 14:32:24   #
Rose42
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Are you a Trump supporter? Just asking so I have an idea of what you consider far left.


You should know not all Trump supporters are the same.

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Dec 19, 2021 14:34:29   #
Old Thinker
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
No, it isn't, it's about right leaning representatives kowtowing to gun lobbyist and not what the people want. This has been shown poll after poll of what the people want. So they prevent bills and changes being made and none of these changes ever include confiscation of guns unless you're a criminal or unbalanced.


No... it's about the constitution... the congress has no power to make gun laws that violate the second amendment... bottom line is... go ahead and write your amendment and see how far it gets in the legislature and ratification by 37 states.. that will give you the true poll of where the American citizens stand.

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Dec 19, 2021 14:38:13   #
American Vet
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Are you a Trump supporter? Just asking so I have an idea of what you consider far left.


I am not a "Trump supporter" per se.

I am a supporter of many of the policies President Trump espoused.

First was his support of business. Whether anyone likes it or not, 'business' is what has produced the wealth this country has enjoyed. The leftist like to attack business, but often fail to realize (or choose to ignore) that United States small businesses employed 60.6 million people, or 47.1% of the private workforce, in 2017. (Source: SUSB).
Another 44 million workers—or 28.2%—were self-employed.

Close the borders: Absolutely. This should not even be a discussion.

We need to have the strongest military in the world: This should not even be a discussion.

What do I consider "far left":

The leftist core belief that if you disagree with them, you 'just don't understand'. The core belief in leftism is that they believe they are just a bit smarted than you; and that you should let them handle important things. (Study Woodrow Wilson).

The leftist belief in "white supremacy". Supporting things such as CRT (which is inherently racist and historically incorrect).

And the leftist attitude about everything from gender to the environment - again, if you disagree, then you 'just don't understand' - which, of course, implies that they are just a bit smarter.

If I had to describe myself? I am a pragmatic libertarian except in a couple of places. I am opposed to abortion (that comes from my experience working in a NICU). I also believe everyone (male and female) should spend at least a year in either the military or some other service (a sort of Peace Corp in America type service).

Questions?

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Dec 19, 2021 14:50:27   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Rose42 wrote:
You should know not all Trump supporters are the same.


I know that but if you wish he had won the election then it is an indication you agree with what he has done to alter America.

For instance these are Trump supporters.
You may or may not agree that this the best thing for the country but if you support Trump this part of the package.

https://www.rawstory.com/evangelicals-schools/

A grass roots peaceful revolution which will change America until the next next rebellion which will happen in a generation or two.
This revolution is happening right now and will eliminate any semblance of freedom for a majority of Americans.

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Dec 19, 2021 14:55:32   #
guzzimaestro
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I know that but if you wish he had won the election then it is an indication you thought he was a good president and the direction you want the country to go in.

For instance these are Trump supporters.
You may or may not agree that this the best thing for the country but if you support Trump this part of the package.

https://www.rawstory.com/evangelicals-schools/

A grass roots peaceful revolution which will change America until the next next rebellion which will happen in a generation or two.
This revolution will eliminate any semblance of freedom for a majority of Americans.
I know that but if you wish he had won the electio... (show quote)


I see you are in Canada. Your revolution must have failed judging by the rights you have lost and the idiot you have for a prime minister

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Dec 19, 2021 16:05:14   #
Rose42
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I know that but if you wish he had won the election then it is an indication you agree with what he has done to alter America.


Do you? Obama altered America too. He had a chance to be a uniter but created division. No I didn’t want Trump to win. Or Biden

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For instance these are Trump supporters.
You may or may not agree that this the best thing for the country but if you support Trump this part of the package.

https://www.rawstory.com/evangelicals-schools/

A grass roots peaceful revolution which will change America until the next next rebellion which will happen in a generation or two.
This revolution is happening right now and will eliminate any semblance of freedom for a majority of Americans.


Rawstory is a leftist rag and that is an opinion piece. Our freedom now is largely illusory.

We’ll see what the future holds. I think it will be chaotic and only fools will place all the blame on Trump

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Dec 19, 2021 16:16:16   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Rumi, they don't care who's been killed, they don't care about the amount of violence there is to live in the wonderful USA, or how many innocent children are victims. ALL they care about is holding on to their Gun. You remember John Lennon's song *Happiness is a Warm Gun*, who was then shot down in cold blood. These people are unconscionable.
Since 1990 the total number killed in school shootings is 176.

There are 80 million legal gun owners in the US, one out of five (or 16 million) carry a gun on a daily basis.
It's the wild west out there, folks, make no mistake, when the devil's curse on gun owners finally overwhelms them, there's gonna be a slaughter of innocents like you've never seen before.

Funny thing though, the homicide rate in the US is 4.9 per 100,000, which is far below the most violent countries.
For example, with a homicide rate at 61.8 per 100,000, El Salvador is numero uno.

Seems the most violent countries with the highest homicide rates are in Central and South America and in Africa. Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela, Columbia, Brazil, Puerto Rico, Uruguay, Costa Rica, Panama, for example, all have homicide rates in the double digits, even Mexico, with a rate of 29 homicides per 100,000, is 6 times greater than in the US.

The notion that American gun owners only care about "holding on to their Gun" and do not care about the violence or how many "innocent children are victims" is nothing but a sanctimonious lie inspired by hate, a common emotional disturbance among Hoplophobes.

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