woodguru

There is no point in even saying it in certain cases where a crime has been committed in such a way that there is no doubt. Trials are all about establishing doubt, but where is that point where there is none? It becomes a charade at some point where the defense attorneys sound like raving retards for even maintaining innocence by trying to create doubt. All it seems to do is confuse simple minded jurors to where a jury is hung by one biased or sympathetic person.

This teenaged school killer, he isn't innocent until proven guilty, he is guilty, and the only issues for a court to decide are going to be technicalities such as being tried as an adult and going for the death penalty if it's legal...

Now his parents will be going through some things, that is for a jury to decide whether they share any blame for enabling their son, who was of questionable mental stability, to use the gun they bought for him.

There is plenty of room for bias to become a factor in the matter of their guilt, it seems the right has a solid and endless supply of people that reject any form of coming down on gun responsibility..."it's not their fault their son was a psycho, it's the kid's fault"

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

We get it, you don't believe in due process.

American Vet

Louisiana 12-year-old Shoots, Kills Armed Intruder Attacking Mom

North Carolina 12-year-old shoots intruder, killing him during armed robbery
Story here.

Lifeguard, Age 17, Shoots Three Convicts in Self-Defense with AR, Killing Two and Maiming Third

Teenager opens fire on three armed men after attempted burglary, killing one

Boy, Age 13, Shoots Man Assaulting Grandmother

14-year-old girl fires gun to save sisters from intruder

Orange County Boy, 11, Strikes Burglar with Machete [Not gun, though bonus points for close contact weapon]

Fresno teen kills his father to protect his mom, sheriff’s office says

Girl age 16 stabbed by an intruder fights back with a gun in Spanaway

Woman being choked by boyfriend is saved when son gets gun, daughter age 15 shoots, kills man

https://lawnews.tv/examples-of-kids-using-guns-to-defend-themselves/

microphor Loc: Home is TN

He should be charged absolutely. No self defense in this case and he pulled the trigger. Feel the same way about the guy who willfully drove his vehicle through the parade.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

All self defense.

woodguru

You can't understand what it is I'm trying to say? Of course there is due process, but what does the charade of innocent until proven guilty mean when guilt has been 100% established?

Due process in the case in point means determining technicalities, not innocence. Do you even see any hypothetical that could absolve this guy?

American Vet

Proven guilty is done by a jury. If you skip the process in one case, then it can be done in others.

woodguru

What does a list of likely justified shootings have to do with what I'm talking about, which is cut and dried murder?

American Vet

Just threw that in there to show you a sample of cases where teens with access to guns saved lives.

One is presumed innocent till tried by a jury - that is the cornerstone of our justice system. Displaying a lynch mob mentality often results in justice gone awry. Case in point - Rittenhouse. All the leftists wanted him jailed.....but clearly he was innocent.

Simple Sam Loc: USA

There are valid remarks in your post "their son, who was of questionable mental stability" and 'psycho'. this may mean that this person needs to be evaluated to see if he is fit to stand trial. Mental illnesses may or may not be recognized in a court of law. Expert opinion must be provided with a diagnosis of the accused’s condition. Common mental illnesses suffered by the criminally accused are bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. If proven, then he will receive treatment and reevaluation in the future to determine if they are a danger to society. Indeed, this could render the parents culpable and they serve, if convicted, the penalty for their son's action.

Federal law (18 U.S.C. §§ 4241 et seq.,) provides that either the defense attorney or the federal prosecutor may file a motion with the court to determine the competency of the accused to stand trial.

From the statute, he cannot be tried for any crime if: “… there is reasonable cause to believe that the defendant may presently be suffering from a mental disease or defect rendering him mentally incompetent to the extent that he is unable to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him or to assist properly in his defense.”

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

***it seems the right has a solid and endless supply of people that reject any form of coming down on gun responsibility...
>>>You made some valid points, and then slipped into your usual jerk go too bull schitte. Blaming the RIght when the issue you were bringing up was not Right vs Left, but right vs wrong, Pre judgibg vs waiting for the legal system to play out.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Due process allows for multiple considerations such as murder or manslaughter, extenuating circumstance such as did person have reason to be his life was in immediate danger, mental illness, ongoing trauma related to an abuser, ect.

Rose42

Its innocent until proven guilty for all or its a sham. Trial by media and public opinion is never a good idea

Hug

You want to see China walk across America, just take away private ownership of guns.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

You may be assured woodguru does not feel the same way about the parade killer driver.