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Innocent Until Proven Guilty Has Some irrelevance In Certain Cases Where We Know Beyond A Shadow Of A Doubt
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Dec 3, 2021 18:23:30   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
AuntiE wrote:
You may be assured woodguru does not feel the same way about the parade k**ler driver.


True dat.

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Dec 4, 2021 07:58:54   #
PeterS
 
woodguru wrote:
There is no point in even saying it in certain cases where a crime has been committed in such a way that there is no doubt. Trials are all about establishing doubt, but where is that point where there is none? It becomes a charade at some point where the defense attorneys sound like raving r****ds for even maintaining innocence by trying to create doubt. All it seems to do is confuse simple minded jurors to where a jury is hung by one biased or sympathetic person.

This teenaged school k**ler, he isn't innocent until proven guilty, he is guilty, and the only issues for a court to decide are going to be technicalities such as being tried as an adult and going for the death penalty if it's legal...

Now his parents will be going through some things, that is for a jury to decide whether they share any blame for enabling their son, who was of questionable mental stability, to use the gun they bought for him.

There is plenty of room for bias to become a factor in the matter of their guilt, it seems the right has a solid and endless supply of people that reject any form of coming down on gun responsibility..."it's not their fault their son was a psycho, it's the kid's fault"
There is no point in even saying it in certain cas... (show quote)

Oh, I am pretty sure the parents are responsible just as the i***t who armed Rittenhouse should have been held responsible for his actions. I don't know which way conservatives will fall on this--the parents were clearly liable for their child's actions--but when it comes to guns conservatives seem to be immune from any type of responsibility...

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Dec 4, 2021 08:31:35   #
American Vet
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh, I am pretty sure the parents are responsible just as the i***t who armed Rittenhouse should have been held responsible for his actions. I don't know which way conservatives will fall on this--the parents were clearly liable for their child's actions--but when it comes to guns conservatives seem to be immune from any type of responsibility...


As much as the ELWNJ would like to make this about guns - it is really more about parental responsibility. In this case it involves guns; but this could be a seminal event for other issues. If the parents are successfully prosecuted - think about the possible repercussions.

Should parents be held accountable if their child k**ls someone while drunk driving?

At what age is the parent no longer responsible? If he is being charged as an 'adult', how can the parents be responsible?

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Dec 4, 2021 12:01:08   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
American Vet wrote:
Just threw that in there to show you a sample of cases where teens with access to guns saved lives.

One is presumed innocent till tried by a jury - that is the cornerstone of our justice system. Displaying a lynch mob mentality often results in justice gone awry. Case in point - Rittenhouse. All the l*****ts wanted him jailed.....but clearly he was innocent.



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Dec 4, 2021 12:03:52   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
AuntiE wrote:
You may be assured woodguru does not feel the same way about the parade k**ler driver.


I agree and he should understand that being charged is not the same as being convicted! I'll never trust the media again to provide me all the evidence pertaining to someone's guilt or innocence "that's why we have courts of law", anything can be manipulated to create the outcome you want.

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Dec 4, 2021 18:58:44   #
Mikeyavelli
 
woodguru wrote:
There is no point in even saying it in certain cases where a crime has been committed in such a way that there is no doubt. Trials are all about establishing doubt, but where is that point where there is none? It becomes a charade at some point where the defense attorneys sound like raving r****ds for even maintaining innocence by trying to create doubt. All it seems to do is confuse simple minded jurors to where a jury is hung by one biased or sympathetic person.

This teenaged school k**ler, he isn't innocent until proven guilty, he is guilty, and the only issues for a court to decide are going to be technicalities such as being tried as an adult and going for the death penalty if it's legal...

Now his parents will be going through some things, that is for a jury to decide whether they share any blame for enabling their son, who was of questionable mental stability, to use the gun they bought for him.

There is plenty of room for bias to become a factor in the matter of their guilt, it seems the right has a solid and endless supply of people that reject any form of coming down on gun responsibility..."it's not their fault their son was a psycho, it's the kid's fault"
There is no point in even saying it in certain cas... (show quote)

Oh, you mean like Alec The Kid, the guy who blames his magic gun for murdering a woman and wounding a man?
Alec The Kid is still on the loose with his hilarious wife pretending to be a latinx and he's pretending that he's innocent of murder.
The only reason Alec The Kid and his hilarious sidekick latinx isn't in jail is because he's a staunch lefty Trump hating anti American Hollywood celebrity.

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Dec 5, 2021 14:50:14   #
woodguru
 
Simple Sam wrote:
There are valid remarks in your post "their son, who was of questionable mental stability" and 'psycho'. this may mean that this person needs to be evaluated to see if he is fit to stand trial. Mental illnesses may or may not be recognized in a court of law. Expert opinion must be provided with a diagnosis of the accused’s condition. Common mental illnesses suffered by the criminally accused are bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. If proven, then he will receive treatment and reevaluation in the future to determine if they are a danger to society. Indeed, this could render the parents culpable and they serve, if convicted, the penalty for their son's action.

Federal law (18 U.S.C. §§ 4241 et seq.,) provides that either the defense attorney or the federal prosecutor may file a motion with the court to determine the competency of the accused to stand trial.

From the statute, he cannot be tried for any crime if: “… there is reasonable cause to believe that the defendant may presently be suffering from a mental disease or defect rendering him mentally incompetent to the extent that he is unable to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him or to assist properly in his defense.”
There are valid remarks in your post "their s... (show quote)


One thing that is more than obvious, his mother being infected with right wing ignorance, he more than likely is too.

If this is a valid defense all of the capital r****rs would be in mental institutions getting the care they need to be made well again...otherwise known as reprogramming in cult related mental illness.

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Dec 5, 2021 15:26:48   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
woodguru wrote:
One thing that is more than obvious, his mother being infected with right wing ignorance, he more than likely is too.

If this is a valid defense all of the capital r****rs would be in mental institutions getting the care they need to be made well again...otherwise known as reprogramming in cult related mental illness.


Read your post, you titled him as possibly insane.

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