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Dec 3, 2021 01:25:52   #
The Ms.
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
It's kind of like the cultist adopted the Marine's slogan: "The possible we do now. The impossible takes a little longer."


I like …. May have to borrow. Ginny, you are a wealth of great information! Always a pleasure to learn from you!🍷🍷🍷

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Dec 3, 2021 01:46:17   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
The Ms. wrote:
I like …. May have to borrow. Ginny, you are a wealth of great information! Always a pleasure to learn from you!🍷🍷🍷


Borrow all you like. I'm really glad that at least one person is learning something good from me. I just wish more people were open-minded.

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Dec 3, 2021 07:00:29   #
Rose42
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
Not exactly.

I think this statement is false (or at least it is complicated enough that we cannot be sure it is true): "Otherwise you’re enabling a mental disorder which is a lack of respect."

Pinning a label (such as some "mental disorder"-related description) on somebody (other than oneself) can be disrespectful.

Claiming that somebody (other than oneself) has a mental disorder may be disrespectful; I suppose that might depend on the circumstances.

Here's a relevant book: https://www.ablechild.org/2021/05/19/and-they-call-it-help-the-psychiatric-policing-of-americas-children/

Some mental disorders are complicated. Reality, also (even objective reality), is sometimes complicated. There's also quite a range of intelligences, in degree and (presumably) type. A psychiatrist may not have the appropriate intelligence to diagnose a given patient.

If the mental health profession were consistent over the years, it might have a stronger and more attractive case, but it isn't even consistent over a long period of time. It does some things which are later found to be harmful. The other helping professions also have similar failings -- and I don't mean to say they're all bad, but sometimes they do bad things, even when they're trying to be good.
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There is nothing complicated about gender. People try and rationalize mental illness but it is what it is. And its only increasing in society.

Homosexuality was classified as a mental illness until the mental health profession caved to pressure from the homosexual community to change it.

The reality is a man can never become a woman and vice versa. I recall reading years ago that in the US 1 in 6 people were on some type of psychotropic drug. That is alarming

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Dec 3, 2021 07:06:44   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Justice101 wrote:
Excellent Reply!

The gays who prefer to go across the street to the cake shop who will cheerfully bake them their wedding cake over the ones who will go purposely to the bakery owned by the Christian in order to make a federal case out of his refusal to bake them a wedding cake!


Those that do that are just trying to force their choice giving no concern to the right of another to have their choice.

How ridiculous it is to have to take it all the way to the supreme court to be told just about that, right?

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Dec 3, 2021 07:16:38   #
Justice101
 
lindajoy wrote:
Those that do that are just trying to force their choice giving no concern to the right of another to have their choice.

How ridiculous it is to have to take it all the way to the supreme court to be told just about that, right?



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Dec 3, 2021 07:24:55   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
Not necessarily.

What exists or not may not be what you, or a psychiatrist, thinks it is.

Even if one relies on some authority, such as a DSM-IV or whatever the current psychiatric manual is these days, the authority might be wrong and/or harmful.

Supposing a fully informed, fully aware adult were to claim a psychiatric disorder and request one of the medically approved treatments, there'd be no ethical problem in that, and no problem about autonomy or respect. In other cases, the right course of action, if any, is not so clear.
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You have presented a bit of psychobabble; probably to deflect from the real issue.

>>>Even if one relies on some authority, such as a DSM-IV or whatever the current psychiatric manual is these days, the authority might be wrong and/or harmful.

Of course it is possible that 'some authority' might be wrong. In our current society, more harm is being done by allowing the untreated mentally ill person wander around.


>>>Supposing a fully informed, fully aware adult were to claim a psychiatric disorder and request one of the medically approved treatments, there'd be no ethical problem in that, and no problem about autonomy or respect. In other cases, the right course of action, if any, is not so clear.

Yes, there is an "ethical" problem. Claiming to have a psychiatric disorder and actually having one are two completely different things. One can "request" medical treatments - however, certain ones require a physician diagnosis and prescription. Certain 'treatments' can be treated by others; you can self-medicate by going to the local pharmacy, or you can see some 'therapists' (massage therapy, etc.) who can give a 'treatment. But you are wandering far afield here.

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Dec 3, 2021 07:28:51   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
"only 2 genders":

Not necessarily.

Keep in mind that the word "gender" doesn't always mean the same as "sex". (If it did always mean the same, there'd be no need for a separate word for it.) And there might be more than two sexes anyway. I already described at least one more, in another comment.

Would you accept that I can tell you what gender you have to be? Could it be that I understand your gender better than you do? What if I had all the appropriate medical degrees to make me an expert about it? (Notice that the DSM has changed over the years.)

Would you find any of that "disrespectful"? (You had earlier mentioned respect.)
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More babble.

There are 2 genders.

There are extremely rare cases where a person is born with both sets of sexual organs - but that is different than having a psychiatric disorder.

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Dec 3, 2021 08:25:22   #
The Ms.
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
Borrow all you like. I'm really glad that at least one person is learning something good from me. I just wish more people were open-minded.


Gin, the bane of humanity in the 2020s… more interested In opining….. refuse to listen and learn…. Know it all… NOT…. Keep it coming 🍷🍷🍷

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Dec 3, 2021 09:43:07   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Rose42 wrote:
There is nothing complicated about gender. People try and rationalize mental illness but it is what it is. And its only increasing in society.

Homosexuality was classified as a mental illness until the mental health profession caved to pressure from the homosexual community to change it.

The reality is a man can never become a woman and vice versa. I recall reading years ago that in the US 1 in 6 people were on some type of psychotropic drug. That is alarming


Can you just imagine what those numbers are now of people on some type of psychotropic drug? With all the pandering done to make people feel they are depressed or irrelevant etc. I’m sure the numbers that you read have significantly increased. After all we now provide crying rooms in colleges, we provide coloring books and crayons for them as well. We allow people to believe they are weak and in fact instill that in them so they can be more easily manipulated. Bottom line we made a bunch of pansy ass people who can’t think for themselves or deal with their own internal issues because they just don’t have to anymore someone else will take care of that for them. And we wonder why society has shifted so drastically…

As to gender issues, they are simply gender issues and there really is only male and female regardless of the title they not want to give themselves.

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Dec 3, 2021 12:05:47   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
The Ms. wrote:
Gin, the bane of humanity in the 2020s… more interested In opining….. refuse to listen and learn…. Know it all… NOT…. Keep it coming 🍷🍷🍷


This has to be one of the dumbest examples of debate I have seen. You don't become a woman because you think you are. You are a woman because you are a woman. You people have engested too many weird drugs!

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Dec 3, 2021 12:27:12   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
I dutifully began to watch the video, but didn't bother with it after seeing the slogan "Jesus is Lord" under the speaker. I did hear him say there ain't but "two genders" a couple of times.

However many genders there are is relatively unimportant, anyway. People should be respected: (1) because they have feelings, (2) for their own self-determination, (3) regardless of whatever gender they claim, (4) regardless of whatever gender somebody else wants to pin on them, and (5) aside from whatever physical body they were born with.
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You performed a genuine duty to our world and even the readers here.

Be prepared for blowback however.

The narrow-minded have a hard time accepting things that are "different."

Thank you Robert!!!

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Dec 3, 2021 12:36:37   #
kemmer
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
I'm really glad that at least one person is learning something good from me. I just wish more people were open-minded.

😲😅

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Dec 3, 2021 12:38:05   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
kemmer wrote:
😲😅


Kemmer changes genders like he changes his Depends.

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Dec 3, 2021 14:41:57   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
lindajoy wrote:
Those that do that are just trying to force their choice giving no concern to the right of another to have their choice.

How ridiculous it is to have to take it all the way to the supreme court to be told just about that, right?




Right!

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Dec 3, 2021 14:57:51   #
kemmer
 
Rose42 wrote:

Homosexuality was classified as a mental illness until the mental health profession caved to pressure from the homosexual community to change it.

Uh-huh. The medical community bowed to pressure from the overwhelmingly powerful gay community.
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