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Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

The bolded part of your post tells me that you don't know $hit about gun safety. It also tells me you are bull$hitting about your experience.

click on "show quote".

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

That's one way to put it.

Point is, there are many movie and TV producers, directors and actors who are pro-gun control yet who produce, direct and act in war and crime movies in which guns are a major movie prop - Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, Kevin Costner, Liam Neeson, Sylvester Stallone, Michael Douglas, Arnold Schwartzenegger, George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg, Danny Glover, to name a few. . And yet, these actors train with guns in order to play their part.

And, there are actors, Keanu Reeves being one of them, who love guns, support the 2nd amendment, and are active shooters in their private lives - Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Vince Vaughn, Johnny Depp, Bruce Willis, Gary Sinese, Jim Caveziel, Tom Selleck, Samuel L. Jackson, Robert De Niro, Christian Slater, Clint Eastwood, Robert Duvall, Miranda Lambert, (Even Eric Clapton and, would you believe, Whoopi Goldberg).

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I guess being an active gun enthusiast doesn't preclude people from being jerks and A-holes, in many instances!!

Mikeyavelli

His bodyguards own guns, he doesn't need them.

Mikeyavelli

Then by their own logic they should arrest Alec The Kid and throw him in the hoosegow while they build his gallows.
I'd travel first class to see Alec The Kid hang.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

They are looking at who loaded live rounds in the gun.
The road to this accident began long before it happened.

woodguru

The guy simply states the way it is and you trash him?

When I am handling a harder to handle gun like a .45 automatic and handing it to a friend that isn't as familiar with it, I take the magazine out, open and clear the slide, check the chamber, close it, put the magazine back so it will engage the trigger, and tell them it is clear and ready to cock the hammer on an empty chamber and check the tuned trigger pull.

I am better suited to clear the gun than many of my friends, and they trust that...if they went through racking the slide they would be loading a round, so I'm telling them what to do.

Range instructors do the same thing, they clear guns for people because that can be tricky and lead to accidents by people not as familiar with the procedures.

Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

It's up to the person with the gun in his or her hand to check the chamber and the magazine in a semi auto or the cylinder in a revolver. If you hand me a gun (any kind) and tell me it's unloaded, I'm going to check it myself to make sure it's unloaded. I go to the range two or three times a month and sometimes we shoot each others guns. I always leave my slide locked back and have several loaded magazines on hand. If someone wants to shoot any of my guns, I hand them the gun with the slide locked back so they can see the chamber. I then hand them a full magazine they can put the mag in the gun then using their thumb, release the slide and they're ready to go hot.

It is always the person that is in control of a weapon who is responsible for any discharge of that weapon.

The reason I (as you say) trash him is because he says he's got all that experience but then he says they don't have to check the gun. If they don't know how to check the gun, you show them how to check it.

Mikeyavelli

Yeah, get the guy who makes 12 bucks an hour who pulled out the table legs to set up the prop room. Yeah, he's the guilty party, not the guy who aimed and pulled the killing trigger shot. Nah, he mocked Trump, so he, like Hillary, can get away with murder.

Mikeyavelli

For once we agree. This was a revolver, and easily checked. Most people don't have the strength at first to rack a slide or the knowledge to eject the clip to clear the chamber.
Alec The Kid is guilty of murder, negligent though it may be.

Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

Eject the magazine. The M1 Garand has a clip not a semi automatic pistol.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I was riding horses and hearing gunfire while still in my mother's womb.
When I came out, the first thing I smelled was horse shit and gun smoke.
Fired my first shot when I was 5 years old,
when I turned 7, dad gave me a Winchester semi-auto 22LR,
when I turned 12, I got a Winchester Model 94, 30-30, and killed my first deer,
when I was 17, I joined the Navy, and at weapons quals in boot camp, the Marine instructor noticed my shooting skills, he said, "Y'all are a country boy, aint cha?"
I have owned a wide variety of pistols, rifles and shotguns, and have shot, maintained, and repaired firearms.
My father was a gun smith and an expert marksman,
My mother also was an excellent shooter.

Over the years, I have fired thousands of rounds from all kinds of guns in all sorts of situations - hunting, sport shooting, competition, and training for self-defense.

I have completed two tactical training courses with handgun and AR carbines. Instructors were former Army Rangers.

Throughout all those years, at the range or on the hunt - as in active shooting environments - many times, my father, a buddy, a shooting partner, or an instructor would hand me a gun and tell me it was ready to shoot. I checked it simply by taking aim, flipping the safety off, and firing the gun. If they said the chamber was clear, I didn't have to check it. Mostly likely because I saw him or her clear it.

On the other hand, away from the range, at a gun show, in a home or a parking lot, when someone hands me a gun I've never seen before and says, "Check this baby out," that is exactly what I do. I point the muzzle at the ground, drop the magazine (if applicable), open the bolt or the cylinder, check the chamber, close the bolt or cylinder, and put the gun on safe.

Rest assured, bogart, I do know shit about gun safety and I am definitely not bullshitting about my experience.
All those years, man, I never experienced an accidental discharge and I never injured or killed a human being.

If you have a problem believing this, tough titty, it's your problem, not mine.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

This is some really cool "gun talk." Terminology always impresses but y'all should use more acronyms. Nurses and pilots like acronyms, kind of like plumbers like to talk in plumber talk, so no one can understand and think "what a smart plumber!" Of course, plumbers want people to feel stupid, seems to me.

straightUp Loc: California

Message for nwtk2007: It was a prop gun and Baldwin was assured by the person in charge of the prop that it was safe to fire.

I'm not saying this excuses Baldwin from checking but I think it's disingenuous to present the matter as if Baldwin was at some range handling a weapon meant to be fired with live rounds.

It's also a desperate stretch to turn this into a stereotypical situation where "leftist should take the advice of the NRA". There are two reasons for saying this...

1. Not everyone on the left is afraid of or ignorant about guns. As a leftist myself, I have been a gun owner since I was 10 and I know a LOT of other gun-owning leftists out there, many with military experience. So, next time you see a liberal, think twice before making the assumption that he doesn't know how to use a gun.

2. There are literally hundreds of conservatives shooting themselves or each other on accident every dammed year. Remember when Vice President Cheney accidentally shot his hunting partner? I do.

So don't make this a partisan issue... It's not. Yes, Baldwin should have double-checked but he is far from being the only American to have accidentally killed someone with a gun and there is no reason to assume it has anything to do with his political outlook.

I'm also going to mention that there have only been three such incidents in the entire history of American film-making where guns are a huge part of almost every block-buster above a G-rating... So obviously, people on the sets DO know what they are doing and what happened with Baldwin was an isolated tragedy.