nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

The l*****ts could take the advice of the NRA, assume every gun is loaded and ready to fire. With guns there are no accidents, just negligence!!

Assuming there are good reasons for using guns in films which can do both f**e fire and real fire, this is the only precept to consider when looking at the death that has occurred. There will be finger pointing but it was Baldwin who pointed and pulled the trigger with a gun that he DID NOT check.

EmilyD

Exactly!

The very first rule that you are taught when you take a course on gun safety is to assume that every gun that comes into your possession is loaded to k**l. And second: Do not point a gun at anyone, unless you intend to k**l them. Baldwin broke both those important, basic gun safety rules - and a few others.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I wonder if he actually owns a weapn?

EmilyD

I doubt it. He is one of Hollywood’s most avid anti-gun activists. But I don't doubt that he has a bodyguard or two that do have guns!

In 2018, Baldwin joined a celebrity coalition, No Rifle Association (NoRA), an anti-gun, anti-NRA activist organization. He also sits on the board of "People for the American Way", whose mission, among other things, is to "Fight against right-wing extremism...."

If he is truly an anti-gun advocate, then he would stand by his beliefs and refuse to film movies that use guns in them! His "beliefs" and "actions" regarding guns don't match.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

It dies seem to be quite a contradiction.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The blame game you people are playing with this is just what the l*****t gun grabbers needed to unleash another wave of gun control measures. Their target is the movie industry, but anyone who thinks any gun control laws resulting from this won't apply to every gun owner is a damned fool.

The notion that there is no such thing as an accident with a gun is ludicrous.

woodguru

You'll just never try to understand the processes and procedures that are supposed to be there by people who are supposed to be experts in regards to gun handling. A gun is handed to actors that is set up in different ways that makes it to where they can't "check" a gun themselves without monkeying up the chamber that is set to fire for instance the only blank. When the gun handlers call out cold gun there is really no reason to second guess or doubt that this is exactly what it is.

I started out thinking Baldwin had a responsibility mainly because I couldn't figure out why he even had the gun pointed at the cinematographer...but it turns out that he was practicing "shooting" directly at the camera.

There may be some degree of negligence there, but why is an actor that may have little to no gun experience be responsible when there are people who's job it is to take care of that?

You go on about Baldwin and say nothing about wondering how a live round even got there, let alone how did the person who called cold gun miss it?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I'm quoting the NRA.

EmilyD

The procedure on a movie set of having someone who supposedly knows how to handle a gun, and then handing the gun to someone who DOESN'T know how to handle one is lunacy! If this is the movie industry's way of dealing with a dangerous weapon that is capable of k*****g people, then something is dreadfully wrong with that procedure.

Sorry if it is inconvenient for the famous, actor who has everything done for them, but no matter how much they feel they are "exempt" from anything that could go wrong while they have the gun in their hands, the reality is that they are NOT exempt. They have the gun and they shoot the gun. If they don't know how to aim it, or don't know how to check the ammo, then they have no business having that gun in their hands. If the actor knows what they are doing, there won't be any "monkeying up" the chamber...they will know with 100% certainty that what they are holding is what they are SUPPOSED to be holding. It should be no other way.

It is simply common sense that everyone...especially actors who arrogantly think they are protected by their fame...should be trained in safe handling of a lethal weapon if they are going to be required to use one in a movie. Training them should not be a problem...there's nothing to lose for it, and a LOT to gain (someone's life??) if they do train.

And yes, I do go on about Baldwin and say nothing about wondering how a live round even got there, because that isn't the issue...the issue is being able to check the gun by the person who is going to shoot the gun. If Baldwin knew how to do that, Ms. Hutchins would be alive now.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Hmmmm....I remember when you first showed up here, you told some story about handing a guy YOUR rifle to take a shot at some critter with your neighbor's house downrange of the fired round. When I called you out on the possibility of said round hitting your neighbor's house, you said it would be his fault for sending it. Remember that? That's when I started in on you, and decided I wouldn't let up, cause you're all foam, and no beer. And a whole lot less than smart.
Now, once again, you're showing your hypocrisy.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Given the circumstances surrounding that accident, you cannot single out any one person as solely responsible for the accident.

I cannot understand why you continue to harp on this when movie set safety protocols are very different than at a shooting range or in your home or on a hunt or wh**ever.

Here's a test for you. If you have a pistol, check it, eject the magazine or empty the cylinder, make sure there is no round in the chamber, IOW, guarantee you have a "Cold gun". Then cock the hammer, switch off the safety, put the muzzle under your chin or against your temple and pull the trigger.

EmilyD

That's just it! My point exactly is WHY should a movie set have different safety protocols for handling a gun than everywhere else? What makes them any different from any other group of people? The protocols should be exactly the same at a shooting range, at a home, on a hunt, walking around a mall, OR ACTING ON A MOVIE SET! A gun is a gun, no matter WHERE it is or WHO is shooting it. There is no one on this planet who is too "big" or "famous" or "rich" or wh**ever it is you think is okay for them to be, that they should not be held accountable for what happens when they are shooting a gun.

Once more to be as clear as I can be: NO ONE should be exempt from handling a lethal weapon without proper training on how to handle it....no one has a "right" to shoot a gun and not be responsible for the outcome after they shoot it. To think otherwise is preposterous!

And your "test" is an insult to everyone who is a responsible gun owner. Even if I unload the gun myself, chamber and all, I would never point it at myself or anyone else I did not intend to k**l. Because I was taught to assume that EVERY gun is loaded to k**l, no matter how sure I am that it is not loaded. If you think that is wrong, then I sure do hope you never have to shoot a gun, and I hope to God you do NOT own any guns!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

The ultimate question: why are there live rounds on a movie set?????

EmilyD

I read that some of the crew were h****rs and they were out practicing shooting in the desert during the filming and after hours.

Also, blanks can seriously hurt and k**l someone if the range between shooter and "victim" is short enough.

There are a lot of things that you learn in training that an actor on a movie set who will be handling a gun that is able to fire either blanks or live ammunition should know about.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Either way, why rounds with projectiles????