Cuda2020

It's a real shame people in this country, people behave as if they're against democracy, our founding fathers would be scratching their heads in confusion, another shame is that people don't know what a democracy is or what it means, or the different forms, and the worst part, is they act as if it is the enemy, now that is truly the amazing part.
God bless the originators of our Constitution, of {We the People} in order to form a more perfect union...an implied Democracy.

The government of the United States was established by {The People} and the U. S. government derives its power solely from The People, the citizens of the United States. That form of government is a democracy. The only time we use representatives is for an electoral vote for the presidential election. All others are done democratically, we also use the democratic vote in our court systems by a majority vote of our peers. We ARE a democratic constitutional republic.

the waker Loc: 11th freest nation

Wow, you are clueless, aren't you?
Every citizens vote should count once, and should not be negated by an illegal vote, or by one person voting twice. In addition, following election rules devised by ELECTED OFFICIALS would be priority 1.
This make up the rules as we go is not only unconstitutional, but they didn't even follow the proper procedures of their own fabrication.
For shame on you to just by-pass the facts of this alteration.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

No, Thomas Jefferson did not identify as a "democratic republican". None of our founding fathers identified with any political party. In fact, our Founding Fathers did not anticipate or desire the existence of political parties, viewing them as “factions” dangerous to the public interest. Federalist #10 author James Madison.

During the convention, our founders were divided into two camps - Federalist and anti-Federalist. Federalism is not a political philosophy, not a party.

Referring to the Jefferson quote. Congress is the representative body and We, the People are the constituents.

Right now, democrats have turned our illustrious representative body into a political freak show that has the lowest approval rating in American history. They have notoriously made sale of our most valuable rights, they have assumed to themselves powers which We. the People never put into their hands, and their continuing in office is, without a doubt, dangerous to the state.


In 1796, George Washington in his Farewell Address warned us that, “through the course of time cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men would subvert the power of the people and seize for themselves the reins of government (the elected Committeeman) through private Associations. He went on to tell us that once they seized the reins of power, a/k/a the committeeman, the parties that would arise would;

(1) destroy the very engines (the political process) which have lifted them to unjust dominion,

(2) destroy the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities,

(3) open the door to foreign influence and corruption, thus the policy and the will of one country will be subjected to the policy and will of another,

(4) serve to organize division,

(5) ruin public liberty,

(6) stifle, control and repress,

(7) foment occasional riots & insurrection,

(8) kindle animosity of one part against another,

(9) put in the place of the delegated will of the nation, the will of the party elite,

(10) agitate the community with ill founded jealousies & false alarms,

(11) undermine the Constitution which could not be directly overthrown,

(12) distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration,

(13) drive the spirit of revenge,

(14) leads to despotism.” Washington concluded, “…parties are truly your worst enemy.”

In letter to Johnathan Jackson in 1780, John Adams said, “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”

In a letter to Francis Hopkinson in 1789, Thomas Jefferson said, “I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a political party, I would decline to go.”

In 1787, Thomas Paine said, “Party knows no impulse but spirit, no prize but victory. It is blind to truth, and hardened against conviction. It seeks to justify error by perseverance, and denies to its own mind the operation of its own judgment. A man under the tyranny of party spirit is the greatest slave upon the earth, for none but himself can deprive him of the freedom of thought.”

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Carlos Caliente

A republic is a republic, not a democracy. They are waaay different. Know the difference before you post!!!

Patrick Brandner

The vote suppression is the big lie and advanced by the useful idiots of the Left. This is another attempt to push the lie and try to grab permanent power. Until I see the DOJ apply unbiased actions against law violators and protect the law abiding citizenry, I would be willing too discuss or debate any premise a side is offering. Right now there is no corner given and the 80 million who voted for conservative government. The Left is trying to divide and demonize one half of the population. Tyranny and evil!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The right or the privilege to vote does not define a democracy. Republics hold elections, democracies hold elections, even authoritarian theocracies like Iran hold elections.

As pointed out numerous times, our founders rejected not only the idea of a democracy but they warned against a division of parties.

You talk a good game, but it is unforgivable that you are totally blind to what democrat socialist and progressives have done and are doing in establishing enormously expensive and oppressive policies totally in contempt of our Constitutional principles.

In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote that the people are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness . . .

Democrat socialist progressives have rejected the promise in the DOI and changed it to Death, Oppression and the Pursuit of Power.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

martsiva

What total BS!! All you are doing is pushing the un-Constitutional HR1 garbage!! There IS a difference between a Republic and a Democracy!! You are pushing this BS since the Democrats are in charge and by doing this they get to stay there!! You are not even close to being an American but instead you are a liar!!!

martsiva

WRONG!! I am an Independent who votes for candidates, not a party and I am fully represented when I do so!!

martsiva

Do you even know what a Democracy is?? The Democrats that you support do not want a Republic when they try to pass an un-Constitutional bill they call HR1 to keep themselves in power and that is a dictatorship!!

martsiva

Please explain how minority voters are suppressed!! are suppressed

One Patriot

Really? Because I’m an Independent and when I vote, I vote for the lesser of the two evils. I’m never fully represented.

There are some things I agree with and disagree with in the Democratic and the Republican parties.

I will never follow anybody just because they have a R or a D in front of, in the middle of or behind their name. The people who do that are sheeple, whether they realize it or not.

martsiva

I am one of those people who researches candidates - who they affiliate with - how they stand on certain issues like foreign policy - what groups outside of politics do they belong to - and the biggie is -who their biggest donors are! I am not a party voter but after all the damage that has been done to this country by the Democrats I will certainly not vote for one! I believe, as Independents, we are represented because our votes are counted along with everyone else`s.

Cuda2020

I agree with Jefferson, let's do away with political parties, it'll stop a large quantity of party manipulations.

But getting back to democratic-republicans, for a short time that's what they were considered and the were the party against the Federalists, and also a short lived party.

Hamilton and other proponents of a strong central government and a loose interpretation of the Constitution formed the Federalist Party in 1791.

Those who favored states rights and a strict interpretation of the Constitution rallied under the leadership of Thomas Jefferson, who had served as Washington’s first secretary of state. Jefferson’s supporters, deeply influenced by the ideals of the French Revolution (1789), first adopted the name Republican to emphasize their antimonarchical views.

The Republicans contended that the Federalists harbored aristocratic attitudes and that their policies placed too much power in the central government and tended to benefit the affluent at the expense of the common man.

Although the Federalists soon branded Jefferson’s followers “Democratic-Republicans,” attempting to link them with the excesses of the French Revolution, the Republicans officially adopted the derisive label in 1798.

The Republican coalition supported France in the European war that broke out in 1792, while the Federalists supported Britain (see French revolutionary and Napoleonic wars). The Republicans’ opposition to Britain unified the faction through the 1790s and inspired them to fight against the Federalist-sponsored Jay Treaty (1794) and the Alien and Sedition Acts (1798).

Notwithstanding the party’s antielitist foundations, the first three Democratic-Republican presidents—Jefferson (1801–09), James Madison (1809–17), and James Monroe (1817–25)—were all wealthy, aristocratic Southern planters, though all three shared the same liberal political philosophy... One could even say progressive for the time.

Jefferson narrowly defeated the Federalist John Adams in the election of 1800; his victory demonstrated that power could be transferred peacefully between parties under the Constitution. Once in office, the Democratic-Republicans attempted to scale back Federalist programs but actually overturned few of the institutions they had criticized (e.g., the Bank of the United States was retained until its charter expired in 1811). Nevertheless, Jefferson made a genuine effort to make his administration appear more democratic and egalitarian:

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Republican-Party

Your summarization of the founders not withstanding any political parties is incorrect, even for Madison, voting was by party. The only person I recall truly objecting to parties was Washington and for the very reason was the cause of polarization in the country among its citizens and creating opposing sides to each other. Looks like he had a point.