Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. A home charging system for a Tesla requires 75-amp service. The average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On my small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each.

So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead-end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it.

A professional automobile evaluator drove a Chevy Volt at the invitation of GM and he wrote:

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

According to GM, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity and made some calculations.

I calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16-kwh battery was approximately 270 miles.

It will take 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. So, on a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!

Carol Kelly

I am awake. Wish the left could be awakened. United we’d stand, divided we’ll fall.
And by the time we are United it will be to late.

son of witless

You also could burn down your house if you don't park your electric toy car outside and away from everything flammable.

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/government-warns-chevy-bolt-owners-park-outside-due-to-fire-risk/

Kevyn

Most electrical cars are used for commuting not driven on road trips they are charged at night when the electric grid is underutilized and charged at high capacity stations when driven long distances. These stations are seen in parking lots around the country. As with other vehicle innovations the technology has been improving exponentially. Few would want to revert to the dirty dangerous inefficient vehicles of the 50s and 60s. We suffered similar whining about emission controls seat belts and air bags then. There are a few glitches with EVs and they are being quickly overcome, they are in our future and all of your whining won’t stop it.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

You contradict yourself in trying to support your usual embelished lies.

hygrometer3

KEVEY---YOU really push electric cars and the green new deal- do you own one ??? do you use towel paper or corn cobs????

Gatsby

You might want to re-check your electric bill, if your numbers are correct,

you're paying 10 x more per KWH than I am.

woodguru

Which is why you charge at night...not that this scenario has much to do with reality

Radiance3

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Besides most batteries will be imported from China because batteries use most elements that the US do not have. Biden will make China very rich. Battery production emits higher pollution, and effects are in a global scale.

The poorer people could not afford the high cost of electric cars.

Please compare and analyze which you think in the long run does better when it comes to pollution control. Both are destructive. BEV does worst in battery production.

Further, BEVs may be responsible for greater human toxicity and ecosystems effects than their ICEV equivalents, due to (1) the mining and processing of metals to produce batteries, and (2) the potential mining and combustion of coal to produce electricity.

These results are global effects, based on the system boundaries and input assumptions of the respective studies. In addition to a review of the literature, CRS focused on the results of one study in order to present an internally consistent example of an LCA. This specific study finds that the life cycle of selected lithium-ion BEVs emits, on average, an estimated 33% less GHGs, 61% less volatile organic compounds, 93% less carbon monoxide, 28% less nitrogen oxides, and 32% less black carbon than the life cycle of ICEVs in the United States.

However, the life cycle of the selected lithium-ion BEVs emits, on average, an estimated 15% more fine particulate matter and 273% more sulfur oxides, largely due to battery production and the electricity generation source used to charge the vehicle batteries. Further, the life cycle of the selected lithium-ion BEVs consumes, on average, an estimated 29% less total energy resources and 37% less fossil fuel resources.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

An additional cost,
National Transportation Safety Board investigators asked Miami-area residents on Thursday to submit information regarding the aftermath of a fatal crash involving a Tesla vehicle that killed two people in Coral Gables, Florida, earlier this month.
Investigators are "specifically looking for any video or photos of the crash or the post-crash fire," the NTSB said in a public notice. The safety agency sent three investigators to Florida to probe the incident.
The NTSB launched its investigation earlier this week to review the circumstances behind the Sept. 13 crash.
The Tesla Model 3 vehicle left the road and crashed into a tree, prompting a fire that consumed the car.
Officials said the investigation was launched because the agency looks closely at new technology. The probe will purportedly focus on the vehicle’s operation and what may have caused the fire.
The NTSB is expected to publish a preliminary report on the crash by mid-October.
Tesla’s guidance warns first responders that battery fires can occur following crashes. However, the company has said high-speed crashes involving any type of vehicle can lead to fires.
Federal safety officials at the NTSB and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) have scrutinized Tesla in recent months over its semi-autonomous "Autopilot" driving system, which automatically controls basic tasks such as steering and acceleration but requires human oversight.
In August, the NHTSA opened an investigation into the Autopilot function after 11 crashes involving first responder vehicles.
It wasn’t immediately clear if the Autopilot system was a factor in the Coral Gables crash.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ntsb-photos-videos-tesla-crash-near-miami

BigJim

Even we attained zero emissions, it is only 14% of the world's total. China and the rest of Asia will continue emitting, so the only difference we will see is in the cost, not in the climate. Money will be wasted.

Jinrai

I personally hope the internal combustion engine does not vanish and I don’t think it will. There is a lot of electric in the not too distant future. But the infrastructure is not yet there in many ways
A couple of things I like about the Tesla is there is very little to maintain ( aside from battery charge). Tires, brakes…not much else. No cooling system, no oil, etc. That should be factored into the cost of ownership. Eventual battery replacement but that is a long term thing ( unless they catch on fire and self destruct).
Recently drove a friend’s Tesla X. Amazing power (700 hp equivalent?). Is it worth over $100k- not for me. As I said, things have a ways to go- longer range, quicker recharge and lower price. But the technology is getting there

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

electric cars are used for commuting but gas powered cars are being eliminated under Biden's plan. So What, no vacation trips? And when everyone has electric cars the power grid will be just as busy at night as in the daytime and won't be able to handle the extra load.. Making plans for electric cars before making power Plants that can handle them is just plain stupid.

EmilyD

Batteries currently last from 65,000 - 100,000 miles. Unless you're an old lady who only drives your electric car to church, most people will use up their battery power in about 3 years. And if it is used only for commuting only, as Kevyn says people will do ( 😀 ) it would depend on how far the commute is and how much traffic there is during the commute to calculate how long an electric car would last someone. Batteries cost thousands of dollars to replace.

Most people I know want to keep their cars for longer than just a few years, and when they buy a new car, they trade in the value of the old car. The trade-in value for an electric car with a dead battery would be minimal, if anything.