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Jul 23, 2021 19:20:30   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
American Vet wrote:
What do you mean by 'right to work'? Do you think people are being forced to work?


It’s the law.
“Right to work”
Placated those who don’t want to pay Union dues. They also have a right to work.
Without union organization.
The wages in these states that adopted it have controlled wages for employers.
South Carolina is a good example for attracting big jobs into the state snd keeping wages down for employers.
Kentucky had a big problem with Volkswagen Plant . Volkswagen wanted Union representation for their workers and corker nearly had a conniption.
There are fair employers out there but, the less they spend on labor the better.

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Jul 23, 2021 19:27:28   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
I just don't know. I can certainly see both sides of the argument. I see your point (and it's certainly valid) about a lot of dead beats & lay abouts crying about pay. Certainly, some employers are crying for help.


They’ve figured out working your way to your millionairehood is a fallacy.
It goes against the order of work.

The more money you make,
The less you work.

Anything else is total bs.
If anyone says I worked hard to become a millionaire, you know their lying.
It goes against the order of work.
They inherited money.
Or they married into money.
Few have actually worked to become millionaires.
Money is attracted to money.
Money has never been attracted to work.

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Jul 23, 2021 19:56:59   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Milosia2 wrote:
They’ve figured out working your way to your millionairehood is a fallacy.
It goes against the order of work.

The more money you make,
The less you work.

Anything else is total bs.
If anyone says I worked hard to become a millionaire, you know their lying.
It goes against the order of work.
They inherited money.
Or they married into money.
Few have actually worked to become millionaires.
Money is attracted to money.
Money has never been attracted to work.
They’ve figured out working your way to your milli... (show quote)


It's difficult to know where to start my disagreement with you. I know many small businessmen that while not millionaires are close. They worked hard, one does excavation, the other is a general contractor (builder). I'm not sure what you mean by no one works hard to become rich, that's just an asinine statement. Not everyone that works hard becomes rich (for many reasons), but many that work hard and keep their noses to the grind stone eventually breakout & become wealthy.

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Jul 23, 2021 19:58:56   #
American Vet
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Yeah and that's why singe businesses can't find employees because they either don't pay enough and/or work conditions suck. It's also called supply & demand.


Yep: And when the business owner makes the decision to raise salaries they might get employees. Or they can elect to do something else. Their choice.

Supply and demand is the free market at work.

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Jul 23, 2021 20:01:43   #
American Vet
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Now you're going of the rails. Which businesses were forced to close by the gov't?


Earlier comment: "Employers are crying for help because some 50 to 70% have gone out of business due to forced restrictions by government regarding Covid."

So, in essence, they were forced out of business by the government restrictions. Back on the rails.....

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Jul 23, 2021 20:07:35   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Employers do not always make more each year. That's a myth manufactured by those who have never owned a business. Many, if not most businesses don't even make a profit for the first years in existence. Tesla didn't make money, even with gov subsidies, until recently; Twitter as well. And employees get to go home free of thoughts regarding the business while owners get to sleep, or lose sleep, over the worries of what businesses have to do to survive.

And why oh why would anyone settle for a "career' in a job that gets minimum wage???? That's, to me, bizarre!!

Oh I do think that many "professions" should be paid higher based upon their importance to society, I do. Like teaching, and even the garbage men, lifting huge, nasty garbage cans and emptying them into the big garbage truck. But these same folks who complain about employers making too much money or that employers are greedy, fully accept the idea that Patrick Mahomes will be paid nearly 300 million dollars over a ten year period to play football and are even happy to contribute by paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game. A game, which is now becoming an extension of politics in our entertainment arena.

So, I am all for people making a decent dollar, but I am not in favor of it being mandatory for employers to pay it no matter the quality of job or worker.
Employers do not always make more each year. That... (show quote)



CEOs shouldn't make thousands of times as much as their employees. For instance, the Walton family makes $4 million/HR. That seem a normal compensation to you? The Walton family makes over $3 billion/yr just in dividends. If they work a 40 HR win that's ascot $1.25 million/HR.

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Jul 23, 2021 20:12:23   #
American Vet
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
CEOs shouldn't make thousands of times as much as their employees. .


Why not?

How much should they make?

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Jul 23, 2021 20:22:27   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Milosia2 wrote:
They’ve figured out working your way to your millionairehood is a fallacy.
It goes against the order of work.

The more money you make,
The less you work.

Anything else is total bs.
If anyone says I worked hard to become a millionaire, you know their lying.
It goes against the order of work.
They inherited money.
Or they married into money.
Few have actually worked to become millionaires.
Money is attracted to money.
Money has never been attracted to work.
They’ve figured out working your way to your milli... (show quote)


That's utter BS. I know many self made millionaires. What ghetto do you live and loot in???

Yes, there are quick ways to make a fast buck but they are usually crooked or a one in a million gamble. Go for it if you wish, I chose education, school, hard work, more hard work, sleepless nights, a LOT of study, occasional hunger, part time work all the time, stayed steady, no drugs, no alcohol, no bloosy blonds and more study and hard work. It paid off. What keeps others from doing the same thing? Because they think they can get lucky, win a lotto (LOLOL!!!!!), get lucky, get lucky, hit a jack pot, make one big score (most times illegal).

They watch their hero's on la la land on the boob tube and resent not having that same wealth.

STUPID, MISS GUIDED, STUPID, MISS GUIDED, ETC, ETC

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Jul 23, 2021 20:31:52   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
American Vet wrote:
Why not?

How much should they make?


A lot less. Worker pay has gone up 12% since 1978, CEO pay 940%. CEO compensation tip worker compensating is 278:1. In the 60s, it was 20:1 & 58:1 in 2989.

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Jul 23, 2021 20:35:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
A lot less. Worker pay has gone up 12% since 1978, CEO pay 940%. CEO compensation tip worker compensating is 278:1. In the 60s, it was 20:1 & 58:1 in 2989.


Says who, you? The one who didn't build it?

Uh, no.

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Jul 23, 2021 20:42:37   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
CEOs shouldn't make thousands of times as much as their employees. For instance, the Walton family makes $4 million/HR. That seem a normal compensation to you? The Walton family makes over $3 billion/yr just in dividends. If they work a 40 HR win that's ascot $1.25 million/HR.


They buy everything from China.
The success of hard work.
That and Sam Walton was your Daddy.
8 of the top ten billionaires
Are
Walton's
How ffing hard could they have worked ?

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Jul 24, 2021 06:49:13   #
American Vet
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
A lot less. Worker pay has gone up 12% since 1978, CEO pay 940%. CEO compensation tip worker compensating is 278:1. In the 60s, it was 20:1 & 58:1 in 2989.


So what is "a lot less"?

How would your "number" be enforced?

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Jul 24, 2021 08:10:49   #
agatemaggot Loc: waterloo iowa
 
jfhubel wrote:
Very well said


YUP !

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Jul 24, 2021 08:32:36   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What it takes is the sense to get a good education, develop a skill, get work, be on time for work, don't call in sick every other week, be there on Fridays and Mondays unless you're puking or have debilitating diarrhea, get along with people, treat people nice, stay off your GD phone, be on time, and treat the bosses with respect. There is very little of that in the workers who work jobs for minimum wage. The ones who have all of those attributes go on to be promoted, to get higher responsibility and get raises based upon MERIT and JOB PERFORMANCE. Those who don't have those attributes get their asses fired.

Period.

I hope that spells it out for you, you leftist dimwits who are demanding higher minimum wage and wanting gov to help make employers pay it!!!

And don't go starting a family until you can afford it, else you'll get to work five times as hard to make ends meet, and it isn't the responsibility of gov to tell businesses to pay you more to make up for your poor choices in the back of a chevy or in your date's bedroom!
What it takes is the sense to get a good education... (show quote)



I agree with everything you said...BUT...don't you just hate that word? In MY town, what I call the buddy system determines who gets the good jobs. It goes like this...Hey! Pete, ole' buddy, I gotta nephew that needs a job...can you help him out? Or like this...there are two jobs to be done, one is easy and the other is hard...you always seem to get the hard job, OR they put the nephew on the hard job and he does a lousy job of it, but gets into no trouble.
OR, you get passed over for promotions.
Now we have Volkswagen and Amazon who employ lots of people and don't have the buddy system, so things are slowly starting to change. But the older companies like Blue Cross Blue Shield still have the buddy system. Every department has a 'click' and you'll learn that those in that 'click' are friends, relatives, relatives of friends, or friends of a friend. If you are not part of that 'click', you get left out and left behind.
I applaud the companies that reject the buddy system and base employee performance records on work ethic, work history, and dedication to their job, or... everything you mentioned!

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Jul 24, 2021 08:38:31   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
maximus wrote:
I agree with everything you said...BUT...don't you just hate that word? In MY town, what I call the buddy system determines who gets the good jobs. It goes like this...Hey! Pete, ole' buddy, I gotta nephew that needs a job...can you help him out? Or like this...there are two jobs to be done, one is easy and the other is hard...you always seem to get the hard job, OR they put the nephew on the hard job and he does a lousy job of it, but gets into no trouble.
OR, you get passed over for promotions.
Now we have Volkswagen and Amazon who employ lots of people and don't have the buddy system, so things are slowly starting to change. But the older companies like Blue Cross Blue Shield still have the buddy system. Every department has a 'click' and you'll learn that those in that 'click' are friends, relatives, relatives of friends, or friends of a friend. If you are not part of that 'click', you get left out and left behind.
I applaud the companies that reject the buddy system and base employee performance records on work ethic, work history, and dedication to their job, or... everything you mentioned!
I agree with everything you said...BUT...don't you... (show quote)


There is always going to be a bit of that but, even with that, if an employee sucks, no matter who they are related to, they will be let go.

I grew up in a big city and didn't see too much of that but I know what you're talking about. And there is also the internal politics of any business as well. It is unavoidable.

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