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Jul 11, 2021 13:33:39   #
son of witless
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
You are not very well read, are you? You wouldn't know treason if it bit your mentally deficient butt. Tell you what, Einstein.... I will pay you $50 if you can show me anywhere in the US Constitution as it existed in 1860 where secession was prohibited. As a matter of fact, genius, four of the original thirteen states included a written reservation of a right to withdraw from the Union at their own discretion in their ratification statements. Those states were NY, RI, VA, and SC. Below are the links to the word-for-word transcriptions. I doubt you have the education to look it up yourself.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/ratva.as
https://history.nycourts.gov/ratification-statement/
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/ratri.asp
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/ratsc.asp

In case you didn't notice, the source is Yale Law School. I realize that is not as authoritative as Salon or Raw Story or some other brainless Liberal rag, (at least in your eyes) but do try and keep up.

As for Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson, you appear to be clueless there, also. Not surprising. Robert E Lee never purchased a slave. The few he inherited he freed in accordance with the terms of the will which bequeathed them to him. Stonewall Jackson owned six slaves. Three he inherited, two he freed, and one child that was learning disabled whom no one wanted. He took the child in when no one else would.
There were four slave states that remained in the Union, home to some half million slaves. These slaves were ignored by the Emancipation Proclamation. Among them were the four owned by one Julia Dent Grant, wife to Ulysses of the same surname. Ever hear of him? Rather than free her slaves, Mrs Grant gave them to her father who lived nearby so she and the good general could benefit from their bondage while avoiding the sobriquet of slave owner.
Last but not least, you cannot commit treason against a foreign country. The slave states had seceded. There is nowhere in the Constitution that said they could not. Why did Robert E Lee petition to have his citizenship reinstated? If he was already a citizen, it was unnecessary, and if not, there was no treason. Lee resigned from the US Army before he was even offered a position with the Virginia militia.
I have tried to clarify this without using too many big words, since you may not have anyone available to explain them to you.
You are not very well read, are you? You wouldn't ... (show quote)


saltwind 78 doesn't know his history very well.

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Jul 11, 2021 13:42:28   #
son of witless
 
son of witless wrote:
saltwind 78 doesn't know his history very well.


Once you begin toppling statues you do not stop.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/statue-of-lewis-clark-sacagawea-toppled-charlottesville#

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Jul 11, 2021 14:25:25   #
Doug Hansen-PGA Loc: Littlestown, Pennsylvania
 
Amen.

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Jul 11, 2021 15:52:08   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
proud republican wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/robert-e-lee-stonewall-jackson-statues-removed

Those who cannot remember the past,are condemned to repeat it......


"OK" MONUMENTS *REMOVED OF GREAT PEOPLE IN *American HISTORY!

IN THEIR PLACE: TRIBUTE TO GEORGE FLOYD {CONVICTED FELON}...let's put up one of Madonna's A tribute to A-Morality} How about one for the Clinton Crime cartel.....Sex pervert Jeffrey Epstein, & Harvey Weinstein...How about a statue to the sex crimes of the Kennedys of Chappaquiddick, & Marilyn Monroe, How about a tribute to the illegal pursuing of Trump, by the Demoncrat congress? Let's erect a Monument of Demoncrat Socialism, & don't forget the statue of Nancy Pelosi, *wicked witch of the East, & *many of her "flying Monkeys"!

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Jul 11, 2021 17:05:00   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
son of witless wrote:
saltwind 78 doesn't know his history very well.


That's an understatement.

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Jul 11, 2021 18:11:13   #
son of witless
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That's an understatement.


Liberals in many cases are history illiterate, morally semi literate, and scientifically post literate.

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Jul 11, 2021 18:15:55   #
elledee
 
BigMike wrote:
I graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in Jacksonville Florida.

I'm not likely to forget or repeat.

I think it's a wonderful and God-given irony, in fact.


I graduated from Nathan Bedford Forest high school in Jacksonville Florida....Grew up on the westside back in the day when it was all Dairy's, ranches, scattered homes, Mom and Pop businesses. Spent many great summers fishing in the Ortega river down the street from my folks house.....how bout that Jacksonville coliseum, saw my first concert there..... the incomparable Alvin Lee and ten years after with Edgar Winters ..... Westside the best side....Small world. Excuse me for bending everyone's ears.....I just don't get it, statues of people who were historically significant won't hurt you. Of course if inanimate objects cause you large amounts of but hurt I must say....GOOD!!!!!! With all due respect of course....Aloha

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Jul 11, 2021 18:57:16   #
son of witless
 
elledee wrote:
I graduated from Nathan Bedford Forest high school in Jacksonville Florida....Grew up on the westside back in the day when it was all Dairy's, ranches, scattered homes, Mom and Pop businesses. Spent many great summers fishing in the Ortega river down the street from my folks house.....how bout that Jacksonville coliseum, saw my first concert there..... the incomparable Alvin Lee and ten years after with Edgar Winters ..... Westside the best side....Small world. Excuse me for bending everyone's ears.....I just don't get it, statues of people who were historically significant won't hurt you. Of course if inanimate objects cause you large amounts of but hurt I must say....GOOD!!!!!! With all due respect of course....Aloha
I graduated from Nathan Bedford Forest high school... (show quote)


Nobody has removed the statues of President Obama from Puerto Rico or South Dakota.

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Jul 11, 2021 22:10:50   #
Radiance3
 
proud republican wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/robert-e-lee-stonewall-jackson-statues-removed

Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it......


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Those who destroyed the statue of Gen. Lee must be vanished from this country. History must be preserved. There are so much to learn from there. Some were negatives but mostly positives for the children of this generation and coming later to learn.

General Robert E. was one of my favorite generals in US history. Along with George Washington, Stonewall Jackson, General Dwight Eisenhower,
General Douglas McArthur, etc. .


General Lee was brilliant. He graduated 2nd top of the US Military Academy with GPA of 4.4 His father Henry Lee III was once a governor of Virginia. And his two ancestors were the signers of the Dealation of Independence, Francis Lightfoot Lee (1734–1797) and Richard Henry Lee (1732–1794), signers of the American Declaration of Independence.

Robert E. Lee was once appointed by the Sec of State of President Lincoln to lead the Union Army, but he was not able to cause he could not abandon his state of Virginia, and he headed the Confederate Army instead.

Lee was a brilliant general only defeated because his army don’t have sufficient supplies and over powered by North.
He cooperated with the surrender when defeated his humility was astounding.


After his military career, he became the Superintendent of the US Military Academy .

Later he became the 1st president of the Washington College from Oct. 4, 1965 to Oct. 12, 1870.

Students and faculty mourn the death of President Robert E. Lee. Within days, the Board of Trustees votes to change the school's name from Washington College to Washington and Lee University. From 1865 to 1870.

General Lee hated Slavery. Fact was he wrote twice to his wife about freeing slavery.

On Jan. 1863, president Lincoln issued a proclamation all slaves must be free.

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Jul 12, 2021 00:26:04   #
elledee
 
son of witless wrote:
Nobody has removed the statues of President Obama from Puerto Rico or South Dakota.


The Islamo fascist ass kisser statue still stands

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Jul 12, 2021 10:38:09   #
son of witless
 
elledee wrote:
The Islamo fascist ass kisser statue still stands


Voters can vote to remove his statues.

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Jul 12, 2021 11:39:54   #
Radiance3
 
son of witless wrote:
Voters can vote to remove his statues.


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Whose statue are you referring to remove?

Congress must pass a law that prohibits the destruction of those historical statues. They were there because the people who set them up, wanted to emulate the greatness they have done and had far exceeded the negatives. Though nobody is perfect, they have also erred but that is part of human life. God knows it.

"To err is human to forgive is divine. "

With an exception. For a total transformation of government, the people want to remove the prior leaders who they believe did most evil, and had something to do with that cruel government.

E.g. Hitler of Germany; Linen or Stalin of Russia.

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Jul 12, 2021 12:06:13   #
son of witless
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Whose statue are you referring to remove?

Congress must pass a law that prohibits the destruction of those historical statues. They were there because the people who set them up, wanted to emulate the greatness they have done and had far exceeded the negatives. Though nobody is perfect, they have also erred but that is part of human life. God knows it.

"To err is human to forgive is divine. "

With an exception. For a total transformation of government, the people want to remove the prior leaders who they believe did most evil, and had something to do with that cruel government.

E.g. Hitler of Germany; Linen or Stalin of Russia.
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elledee and I were talking about the statues of Barak Obama in Puerto Rico and South Dakota. I meant that voters in those places could vote to remove those statues. That does not mean destroying them. I am sure there are many places who would love those statues.

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Jul 12, 2021 12:08:21   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
son of witless wrote:
elledee and I were talking about the statues of Barak Obama in Puerto Rico and South Dakota. I meant that voters in those places could vote to remove those statues. That does not mean destroying them. I am sure there are many places who would love those statues.


Kevy could put one right next to his Obama blow up doll.

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Jul 12, 2021 12:23:18   #
son of witless
 
JFlorio wrote:
Kevy could put one right next to his Obama blow up doll.


I don't know that he could afford the cost and shipping to get a statue. They must weigh quite a bit.

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