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Jun 2, 2014 11:39:22   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
De-criminalizing drugs isn't going to stop illegal drugs !
History: Did de-criminalizing alcohol stop illegals from Moon Shining ? No! They still illegally make moon shine.
I will agree that they probably won't make as much as in prohibition days.

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Of course de-criminalizing won't stop the PRESENCE of MJ,heroin, ecstasy, etc. The difference is that there wouldn't be any ILLEGAL drugs. No one would be arrested for owning or selling those drugs. No one would be meeting sellers on street corners to buy MJ only to learn it was poisoned stuff. I cannot see how the cartels could continue to exist. We have learned with drugs the same things we learned with alcohol: making it illegal doesn't stop the illegal behavior. That's why prohibition was stopped. Unfortunately we are dumbed down and it takes longer now to know failure when we see it, and we have a tendency to be unable to admit failure. And the very last thing we do is to learn from past experiences.

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Jun 2, 2014 11:49:44   #
avery Loc: tx
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Oh you expect me to go to your site that you like , but you can't go to my site recommendation! But you quote from 1 site?
Google:
127,000 articles on MJ'S effects on the brain
187,000 articles on harmful effects of MJ.
102,000 articles on MJ's effects on the heart


no big mac, I expect you to actually go to a scientific site. and you confuse research with opinion articles. you also assume that all the opinion articles will be negative. its not a question of a site I like, it is a question of finding accurate research.

there is something called willful ignorance. it has to do with a refusal to seek out accurate information.

it has b

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Jun 2, 2014 12:30:46   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Tasine wrote:
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I go at this like I now go at all issues. Unless someone's behavior is affecting ME or a loved one, or other innocents, it is none of my business. I was once very opposed to all illicit drugs. No longer. If an adult wants to take MJ, that's O.K. with me. If he wants to shoot up heroin, that's fine with me. If he wants to commit suicide, that is his life and his business.

However, if he should harm anyone while under the influence, no matter the surrounding circumstances, he should be made to pay the price, just as being under the influence alcohol requires one to pay the price - or SHOULD require.

Doing crimes does, however affect us all. De-criminalize ALL drugs, take the business away from drug dealers and drug czars, make America once again the free country it once was.
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This will not solve the problem of Meth. This stuff is not victimless, as most addicts that I know of are thieves. I have never heard of a pothead stealing to support his habit. I have never heard of a meth head who didn't.

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Jun 2, 2014 12:56:12   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Loki wrote:
This will not solve the problem of Meth. This stuff is not victimless, as most addicts that I know of are thieves. I have never heard of a pothead stealing to support his habit. I have never heard of a meth head who didn't.

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Frankly I believe most drugs of all varieties are dangerous. I have no doubt whatsoever as to what you say. I believe you are in all likelihood that you are absolutely correct. But keeping it illegal doesn't solve the problem either, huh? Decriminalizing it won't do us any more harm, will it? Our government is doing FAR more PEOPLE CONTROL than doing what it is supposed to do: nation management. I'm sick and tired of it. I'd like too kick the government out of my life altogether,but I know I can't do that. I CAN, however, have a little, teensy bit of input when I make noises about ALL of their control.

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Jun 2, 2014 20:03:19   #
Ricktloml
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Yes the old man was a danger if he was growing acres of pot ! If he was growing pot in a state where it is illegal he broke the law and the law has different penalties for different amounts of possession!
I'm surprised of the amount of marijuana smokers here ! A lot more are coming out of the wood work ! I had a good friend who died of cancer a while back , he was on a morphine pump that worked well for him controlling his pain . So maybe we should legalize that also! More tax money for the government!
Yes the old man was a danger if he was growing acr... (show quote)


He had two or three plants in his back yard, and just because someone supports the legalization of marijuana it doesn't mean they smoke it. I watched someone I loved dearly waste away from cancer, toward the end after all the pain medications, and appetite enhancers, and nausea pills didn't work he broke down and tried marijuana, it was the only thing that helped with the nausea and vomiting, when he got sick he weighed 225 pounds, when he died he weighed 138 pounds, I wished he had started uses marijuana a lot sooner, I guess by your definition because he broke the law he was a danger to society. Too bad compassion isn't more of a consideration. I hope you never have to watch someone you love die like that!!!

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Jun 2, 2014 21:44:24   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Tasine wrote:
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I go at this like I now go at all issues. Unless someone's behavior is affecting ME or a loved one, or other innocents, it is none of my business. I was once very opposed to all illicit drugs. No longer. If an adult wants to take MJ, that's O.K. with me. If he wants to shoot up heroin, that's fine with me. If he wants to commit suicide, that is his life and his business.

However, if he should harm anyone while under the influence, no matter the surrounding circumstances, he should be made to pay the price, just as being under the influence alcohol requires one to pay the price - or SHOULD require.

Doing crimes does, however affect us all. De-criminalize ALL drugs, take the business away from drug dealers and drug czars, make America once again the free country it once was.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br I go at this like I n... (show quote)


OK. I'm done trying to warn anybody of Pot's bad side. But I have seen high school kids who were addicted to pot, Didn't care about school, didn't care about sleep, didn't care about minding their parents and stole from people just to smoke pot and buy some more pot.

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Jun 2, 2014 21:54:36   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Ricktloml wrote:
He had two or three plants in his back yard, and just because someone supports the legalization of marijuana it doesn't mean they smoke it. I watched someone I loved dearly waste away from cancer, toward the end after all the pain medications, and appetite enhancers, and nausea pills didn't work he broke down and tried marijuana, it was the only thing that helped with the nausea and vomiting, when he got sick he weighed 225 pounds, when he died he weighed 138 pounds, I wished he had started uses marijuana a lot sooner, I guess by your definition because he broke the law he was a danger to society. Too bad compassion isn't more of a consideration. I hope you never have to watch someone you love die like that!!!
He had two or three plants in his back yard, and j... (show quote)

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I am one of those who has never tried marijuana, once was opposed to legalization of it, but now support legalization whole-heartedly. The legalization of it points to liberty of a person to ingest what he chooses to ingest, to drink what he pleases, to do as he pleases as long as he does no harm to anyone else. Am reading Matt Kibbe's book, "Don't hurt
Anyone and Leave My Things Alone". It is for people who believe in the sovereignty of each person. I do.

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Jun 2, 2014 22:54:03   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Tasine wrote:
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I am one of those who has never tried marijuana, once was opposed to legalization of it, but now support legalization whole-heartedly. The legalization of it points to liberty of a person to ingest what he chooses to ingest, to drink what he pleases, to do as he pleases as long as he does no harm to anyone else. Am reading Matt Kibbe's book, "Don't hurt
Anyone and Leave My Things Alone". It is for people who believe in the sovereignty of each person. I do.
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What you are saying is that you don't believe in any Drug control by anybody. For all those who say Mj. is wonderful
for controlling paid evidently they haven't seen anybody use Heroin, Oxycontin, Morphine for pain! Hell lets put these in the grocery stores also! Lets have the whole country running around stoned out of their minds.
I had a son on Mj prescribed by his doctor and I didn't see it helping him with anything It didn't help him from dying. It didn't help his neuropathy pain in his feet, the only thing that helped his pain was OxyContin in pretty big doses!
For all those people who say MJ helps dying peoples pain B.S. it might if they were on other pain killers also, which I'm sure the majority were!

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Jun 3, 2014 08:54:47   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
What you are saying is that you don't believe in any Drug control by anybody. For all those who say Mj. is wonderful
for controlling paid evidently they haven't seen anybody use Heroin, Oxycontin, Morphine for pain! Hell lets put these in the grocery stores also! Lets have the whole country running around stoned out of their minds.
I had a son on Mj prescribed by his doctor and I didn't see it helping him with anything It didn't help him from dying. It didn't help his neuropathy pain in his feet, the only thing that helped his pain was OxyContin in pretty big doses!
For all those people who say MJ helps dying peoples pain B.S. it might if they were on other pain killers also, which I'm sure the majority were!
What you are saying is that you don't believe in a... (show quote)

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I understand your grief. I can only imagine what grief a parent feels when a child is hurting and when a child dies. My sympathies are with you, and I am sorry he died.

Unfortunately every one of us will die and there is NOTHING that will prevent it because it is inevitable. I don't believe there has been anyone here who has suggested that ANY drug can prevent people from dying. As a matter of fact many of us know that almost ANY drug can cause a person to die.

Neither government nor anyone else prevent people from dying when it is their time to die - neither people nor drugs dictate when person dies. But when one isn't free to look after himself as he sees fit, it is too often OTHERS who dictate when he dies - and that IS NOT RIGHT AND IT IS NOT FREEDOM. I sincerely hope you can get past your son's death, that the pain will fade away. I DO understand pain and the loss of a loved one, just not the loss of a son or daughter.



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Jun 3, 2014 09:52:39   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
avery wrote:
no big mac, I expect you to actually go to a scientific site. and you confuse research with opinion articles. you also assume that all the opinion articles will be negative. its not a question of a site I like, it is a question of finding accurate research.

there is something called willful ignorance. it has to do with a refusal to seek out accurate information.

it has b


Lancet is a Journal owned by a person named Elsevier, he also own 200 plus other publications . This journal just prints opinions from other individuals. Elsevier is a Dutch person living in Amsterdam ,. Isn't Amsterdam in a country that Marijuana is legal in the whole country and people openly smoke it on the streets and shops?
Does one or a few persons posting his feelings about a product make that journal a scientific miracle ? I don't think so, only if you want to use it to justify what you want!
I would rather believe what the majority of 300,000 people say as the gospel not one or two! If this was a scientific post at Lancet , where is the data to back it up in his article? I haven't seen a scientist who doesn't back up his thinking with cold hard facts! Other wise it is just a opinion of many opinions ! No I don't assume anything, that just makes a _ _ out of you and me! Show me in this Lancet site ( I can't afford the $100.00's) where he had a few thousand Pot smokers he evaluated and based his summary on the results , and I will be inclined to believe him and you! Until then you are just blowing smoke! Probably Marijuana smoke ! Have a good day!

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Jun 3, 2014 09:57:59   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Tasine wrote:
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I understand your grief. I can only imagine what grief a parent feels when a child is hurting and when a child dies. My sympathies are with you, and I am sorry he died.

Unfortunately every one of us will die and there is NOTHING that will prevent it because it is inevitable. I don't believe there has been anyone here who has suggested that ANY drug can prevent people from dying. As a matter of fact many of us know that almost ANY drug can cause a person to die.

Neither government nor anyone else prevent people from dying when it is their time to die - neither people nor drugs dictate when person dies. But when one isn't free to look after himself as he sees fit, it is too often OTHERS who dictate when he dies - and that IS NOT RIGHT AND IT IS NOT FREEDOM. I sincerely hope you can get past your son's death, that the pain will fade away. I DO understand pain and the loss of a loved one, just not the loss of a son or daughter.
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Thank you . Although we disagree on Marijuana usage we agree with the above !
My eldest son died over 10 years ago ! He is absent in person but not in my mind!

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Jun 3, 2014 10:08:59   #
avery Loc: tx
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Lancet is a Journal owned by a person named Elsevier, he also own 200 plus other publications . This journal just prints opinions from other individuals. Elsevier is a Dutch person living in Amsterdam ,. Isn't Amsterdam in a country that Marijuana is legal in the whole country and people openly smoke it on the streets and shops?
Does one or a few persons posting his feelings about a product make that journal a scientific miracle ? I don't think so, only if you want to use it to justify what you want!
I would rather believe what the majority of 300,000 people say as the gospel not one or two! If this was a scientific post at Lancet , where is the data to back it up in his article? I haven't seen a scientist who doesn't back up his thinking with cold hard facts! Other wise it is just a opinion of many opinions ! No I don't assume anything, that just makes a _ _ out of you and me! Show me in this Lancet site ( I can't afford the $100.00's) where he had a few thousand Pot smokers he evaluated and based his summary on the results , and I will be inclined to believe him and you! Until then you are just blowing smoke! Probably Marijuana smoke ! Have a good day!
Lancet is a Journal owned by a person named Elsevi... (show quote)


big, I have no clue where you got your info. the lancet is a peer reviewed british medical journal that publishes research. these are not opinions. but then hey, that's just science, and we all know that science cant be trusted.

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Jun 3, 2014 10:14:42   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Thank you . Although we disagree on Marijuana usage we agree with the above !
My eldest son died over 10 years ago ! He is absent in person but not in my mind!

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He will always be in your mind. He IS part of you, and in my view, he is looking after you and is with you all the time.

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Jun 3, 2014 10:16:31   #
avery Loc: tx
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Lancet is a Journal owned by a person named Elsevier, he also own 200 plus other publications . This journal just prints opinions from other individuals. Elsevier is a Dutch person living in Amsterdam ,. Isn't Amsterdam in a country that Marijuana is legal in the whole country and people openly smoke it on the streets and shops?
Does one or a few persons posting his feelings about a product make that journal a scientific miracle ? I don't think so, only if you want to use it to justify what you want!
I would rather believe what the majority of 300,000 people say as the gospel not one or two! If this was a scientific post at Lancet , where is the data to back it up in his article? I haven't seen a scientist who doesn't back up his thinking with cold hard facts! Other wise it is just a opinion of many opinions ! No I don't assume anything, that just makes a _ _ out of you and me! Show me in this Lancet site ( I can't afford the $100.00's) where he had a few thousand Pot smokers he evaluated and based his summary on the results , and I will be inclined to believe him and you! Until then you are just blowing smoke! Probably Marijuana smoke ! Have a good day!
Lancet is a Journal owned by a person named Elsevi... (show quote)


elseiver is the name of a publishing company, not a person. it is based in Amsterdam, but has offices all over the world, including the us of a. it is acknowledged to be the leading publication in the world on medical issues, and has been around close to 175 years or so. the only accusation leveled against it is that it might be too heavily influenced by the pharmaceutical companies, a charge leveled against physicians in general by many.

you know, trying to equate a corporation to a person, and somehow connecting that it is based in Amsterdam that it must be somehow connected to the drug industry actually out cruzs ted cruz. don't you understand how paranoid your comments come across? it is obvious that you only give a cursory look to information, and then draw really insane sweeping conclusions.

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Jun 3, 2014 10:43:28   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
avery wrote:
big, I have no clue where you got your info. the lancet is a peer reviewed british medical journal that publishes research. these are not opinions. but then hey, that's just science, and we all know that science cant be trusted.


Google Wikipedia , type in Lancet British Medical Journal , click on enter!
Lancet is a journal that is published by the owner who publishes 200 other different journals. Yes science can't be trusted to be 100% perfect, but if backed by thousand of people in a clinical trial testing their theory , I might sway to their findings! I seen none of this on " Marijuana " being good for you with no harmful effects in Lancet!

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