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ExperienceCounts

olegig wrote:

How about the merits of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer all because of government caused inflation?...

It is not as simple as an "only one cause" issue and you know it or you should.

So, how about you back up your statement and change my mind, you go first.

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

ExperienceCounts wrote:

It is not as simple as an "only one cause" issue and you know it or you should.

So, how about you back up your statement and change my mind, you go first.

Humm, I see you picked the first, most liberals know nothing about the second and care little about the third.
But the first option, that one always pushes a liberal's buttons.

As "you know it or should" there is a growing gulf(a Biblical term for gap FYI) between the rich and the rest of us today. This is not a new thing because there has always been the two groups, however the part about it growing is new.
I say not a new thing when viewed on the macro level because there were certainly rich folks in the 1800's, but what's different today?
Today the rich are getting richer by investing while in the 1800's they became rich by producing.
But what's the difference you might ask? Glad you asked.

The gold standard is the difference. When our currency was based on gold a man could put $1,000 in the bank, wait 5 yrs, draw an equatable interest, take the $1,000 and buy the same amount of goods as he could have when the money was placed in savings.
As"you know it or should" those were days when saving made sense. But not today! Today it's much smarter to buy today and pay off latter with inflated dollars.
But what about the rich over this long period of time (macro)? They used to get rich by producing which increased employment. Remember the old saying "a rising tide lifts all ships", but not now. They are getting rich by playing the game better.
Which game? Awh again thanks for asking. The game of getting the biggest portion of govt printed money. They roll it into the stock mkt, rather than paying higher wages, they build elaborate pension funds encouraging others to invest in these funds.
The rich move their big handout into hard assets, the poor feed the kids. Remember the old adage about he who owns the gold.... The rich are suppressing hard asset mkts so they can stock up using the dollars they win by playing the game.. But sorry you didn't wish to speak on that topic.

So where are we now? We're all trying to make ends meet with more and more dollars which are worth less and less. (In another post I show how a pre-64 quarter used to buy a gallon of gas and it still will having a value of around $5.00)

As you know it or should Rome was brought down because it debased the coins paid to their soldiers, no difference today.
I do believe the old saying "the only thing man learns from history is that man doesn't learn from history."

I'm quiet sure you will come up with a few of your other causes that I should know about, but when you peel the onion layers of history and economics, currency debasement is always at the core.

ExperienceCounts

olegig wrote:

Humm, I see you picked the first, most liberals know nothing about the second and care little about the third.
But the first option, that one always pushes a liberal's buttons.

As "you know it or should" there is a growing gulf(a Biblical term for gap FYI) between the rich and the rest of us today. This is not a new thing because there has always been the two groups, however the part about it growing is new.
I say not a new thing when viewed on the macro level because there were certainly rich folks in the 1800's, but what's different today?
Today the rich are getting richer by investing while in the 1800's they became rich by producing.
But what's the difference you might ask? Glad you asked.

The gold standard is the difference. When our currency was based on gold a man could put $1,000 in the bank, wait 5 yrs, draw an equatable interest, take the $1,000 and buy the same amount of goods as he could have when the money was placed in savings.
As"you know it or should" those were days when saving made sense. But not today! Today it's much smarter to buy today and pay off latter with inflated dollars.
But what about the rich over this long period of time (macro)? They used to get rich by producing which increased employment. Remember the old saying "a rising tide lifts all ships", but not now. They are getting rich by playing the game better.
Which game? Awh again thanks for asking. The game of getting the biggest portion of govt printed money. They roll it into the stock mkt, rather than paying higher wages, they build elaborate pension funds encouraging others to invest in these funds.
The rich move their big handout into hard assets, the poor feed the kids. Remember the old adage about he who owns the gold.... The rich are suppressing hard asset mkts so they can stock up using the dollars they win by playing the game.. But sorry you didn't wish to speak on that topic.

So where are we now? We're all trying to make ends meet with more and more dollars which are worth less and less. (In another post I show how a pre-64 quarter used to buy a gallon of gas and it still will having a value of around $5.00)

As you know it or should Rome was brought down because it debased the coins paid to their soldiers, no difference today.
I do believe the old saying "the only thing man learns from history is that man doesn't learn from history."

I'm quiet sure you will come up with a few of your other causes that I should know about, but when you peel the onion layers of history and economics, currency debasement is always at the core.

Humm, I see you picked the first, most liberals kn... (show quote)

You should not assume anything about me. But you will know a little more about me by the end of this post.

I do see your points. You are more knowledgeable about money. I will totally agree and add that the love of money by some, the acquisition of it at the expense of others is a good premise for the downfall of our nation.

In addition, our newly "woke" officials have decided to enable those who feel entitled to enslave the "now" and the "future" of those that they consider "slaves," "peons," "working or middle class" and the "poor" by demanding that these people fund their "enlightened" agendas.

So, I'll add this.

It is not as simple as an "only one cause" issue and you know it or you should.

The decline of morals.
Sex without commitment.
Enabling government overruling of parental rights.
Enabling sex with non-adults.
One parent homes.
The lack of accountability.
The lack of financial support for children by one or more of their parents.
Enabling government over-ruling parental rights.
Government rewarding irresponsible fiscal responsibility.
Government officials lacking fiscal responsibility.
The passage of laws without our representatives even reading the bills or having the backbone to stand up for what is right for American citizens.
Over-reaching power allowed to government bodies, appointed bodies, committees, and judges.
Executive orders going unchallenged to push any party's agenda.
Trying to bribe loyalty by giving handouts.

Hum, I could go on. It's our declining moral fiber, our deliberate turning away from fiscal responsibility, it is allowing evil to flourish with the gleeful applause of those who want something for nothing.

Want to call me a liberal. I don't think so. Want to call me a conservative--partly right. However, I'm unaffiliated. I'm one of those poor unfortunates who straddle the fence--trying to look at all sides of the picture. I realize there are two sides to every argument, and then there is a compromise that should meet in the middle.

The things going on in our government right now are not fiscally viable. Our nation is not tightening its belt. It is proclaiming changes for the sake of change without taking care of real problems that exist in our nation. We want to throw money at everything as if that will solve problems that we ourselves are creating.

If we were bathing a child, we are bolding proclaiming, "throw out the bathwater." "We'll find a new way to do this." One problem, the baby was in the water. Uncle Sam slipped and fell on the steps throwing the water out. Don't look now, but I think he broke his back? What about the baby? Well, it died. Stomped by the peaceful mobs world-wide that are hollering, "I want, give me!"

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

ExperienceCounts wrote:

I do see your points. You are more knowledgeable a... (show quote)

I have condensed your response for brevity for I have found brevity good even though I'm not good at it. I do appreciate your words and agree with your thoughts. I only wish to "tweak" here and there.

Concerning my knowledge of money, please note I try to use the term "currency " because money denotes value.
Gold is money, silver is money, years ago the dollar was indeed money, but no more. Money should maintain it's value in respect to the goods we need. Our dollars do not.
We have been robbed by the immoral act of inflating the so-called "money" supply. Our dollar bill is worth about 4 cents compared to it's buying power of 1920.

You say several causes and then list several things (non of which I disagree) however I would term them effects.
They all can be traced back to the immoral act of inflating our currency. Folks loose focus on a future, a good life when every time they go to buy needed things for the family their dollars don't go as far.
They are trapped in despair.
They see the criminal element living high, they begin to see the family unit as a drag.
They are trapped in despair by a silent killer, the killer of hopeless because no matter how hard they might work, they get further behind.
All because of an immoral act they can't see and know nothing about.

I hear you on the liberal/conservative thing. Even today's conservative argues about how much rather than a certain program even being funded at all.
In my opinion we have not had a capitalist govt in a long while.

You say the things going on are not fiscally viable to which I totally agree. So what to do?
Most of the moral issues you brought up are recent, rising to the surface generationally which makes us feel they are sudden even though the foundation has been slowly crumbing for years.
Many facts and statistics show the black families in good shape before Johnson's war on poverty.

To sum all this up, man I hear you and agree with everything you say. However I still see the immoral act of inflating our well-being out from under us is the root cause.
And the only way to stop said act is to hold government's foot to the fire with a gold standard.

ExperienceCounts

olegig wrote:

I have condensed your response for brevity for I have found brevity good even though I'm not good at it. I do appreciate your words and agree with your thoughts. I only wish to "tweak" here and there.

Concerning my knowledge of money, please note I try to use the term "currency " because money denotes value.
Gold is money, silver is money, years ago the dollar was indeed money, but no more. Money should maintain it's value in respect to the goods we need. Our dollars do not.
We have been robbed by the immoral act of inflating the so-called "money" supply. Our dollar bill is worth about 4 cents compared to it's buying power of 1920.

You say several causes and then list several things (non of which I disagree) however I would term them effects.
They all can be traced back to the immoral act of inflating our currency. Folks loose focus on a future, a good life when every time they go to buy needed things for the family their dollars don't go as far.
They are trapped in despair.
They see the criminal element living high, they begin to see the family unit as a drag.
They are trapped in despair by a silent killer, the killer of hopeless because no matter how hard they might work, they get further behind.
All because of an immoral act they can't see and know nothing about.

I hear you on the liberal/conservative thing. Even today's conservative argues about how much rather than a certain program even being funded at all.
In my opinion we have not had a capitalist govt in a long while.

You say the things going on are not fiscally viable to which I totally agree. So what to do?
Most of the moral issues you brought up are recent, rising to the surface generationally which makes us feel they are sudden even though the foundation has been slowly crumbing for years.
Many facts and statistics show the black families in good shape before Johnson's war on poverty.

To sum all this up, man I hear you and agree with everything you say. However I still see the immoral act of inflating our well-being out from under us is the root cause.
And the only way to stop said act is to hold government's foot to the fire with a gold standard.

I have condensed your response for brevity for I h... (show quote)

If "the immoral act of inflating our well-being out from under us is the root cause and the only way to stop said act is to hold the government's foot to the fire with a gold standard," how do we do that?

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

ExperienceCounts wrote:

If "the immoral act of inflating our well-being out from under us is the root cause and the only way to stop said act is to hold the government's foot to the fire with a gold standard," how do we do that?

Hummm, short answer: put Senator Goldwater in the White House. 😩 duuuu
About the only politician I know of who truly recognizes the problem is Rand Paul and you saw how he got along.
I'm sure there are other good conservative men up there, I just don't know of them. And I'm sure some would come out of the closet, but you know the odds of this as well as I do.

As with everything in politics it can be a ground swell event. Everyone should put themselves on a personal gold standard.
Get out of debt.
Learn a trade to produce needed goods.
Be self sufficient.
And above all buy some precious metals, physically, held in your hand not in a bank.
Folks who have an IRA or K 1 or whatever can make it self directed, converted to gold or silver stored at home.

Some folks are setting with a savings acct earning maybe .5% while the buying power of their dollars is deteriorating 7-8% a year. How smart is that?
If everyone bought just one oz of silver, about $35 now, the price of silver and gold would explode because they are both very elastic.
The government would have to take notice.

Right now one can go to Venezuela with 1 oz silver, 35 dollars worth, and buy whatever they want.
Precious metals are valued world wide. The US mint has been making 1 oz gold and silver coins for public ownership since the eighties and hardly anyone knows.

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

ExperienceCounts wrote:

If "the immoral act of inflating our well-being out from under us is the root cause and the only way to stop said act is to hold the government's foot to the fire with a gold standard," how do we do that?

Here's a link to a video I think you might enjoy.

https://youtu.be/Kh_mTHL_JjI

ExperienceCounts

olegig wrote:

Here's a link to a video I think you might enjoy.

https://youtu.be/Kh_mTHL_JjI

Since this is the shortest, where do you recommend we buy our silver and gold?

Ads have agendas and those advertising on television have a larger profit margin so that they can run those ads.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

ExperienceCounts wrote:

Since this is the shortest, where do you recommend we buy our silver and gold?

Ads have agendas and those advertising on television have a larger profit margin so that they can run those ads.

Go to kitco.com to get the latest spot price on gold and silver.
I suggest calling local coin shops
To see how close their buy and sell is to the spot prices.
Lately a bit over 1 Dollar/oz for bullion is the best I find.

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

ExperienceCounts wrote:

Since this is the shortest, where do you recommend we buy our silver and gold?

Ads have agendas and those advertising on television have a larger profit margin so that they can run those ads.

Stay away from all ads and eBay. You have to realize gold and silver can be faked. Other metals used with a light plating. Safest buy is pre-64 dimes, quarters, & halves, they can't be faked but carry a hefty premium, but recognized any where. For the 3 listed the formula is every $1 face value has .715 oz silver. Four quarters equals .715 oz silver.
You want to buy from dealers who will buy it back.
Try to find a reputable dealer in your area, not some pawn shop, some fine, just depends.
You must also realize there is always a premium over spot for dealer's pay. Be happy to pay because you want him to stay in business.

Go to PMBULL.COM http://www.pmbull.com/
Lots of good info. Click on ........bullion There they describe the different offerings and to the right click on price. There they show good places to order.
You must realize physical is getting in short supply so their delivery times are extended.

And as mentioned in previous post kitco is good.

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Here's what's going on in the silver market now. Buy whatever you can find at any price.
Buy physical, hold it in your hands, stay away from any paper derivative!
https://youtu.be/wtxr_yXDXTo

ChJoe

fullspinzoo wrote:

Women, or better yet ladies shouldn't have to read the filth this low-life posted a day or two ago. Lost all respect from me, (what little he had). Vile, vulgar, bottom feeder? Still haven't the right word. Maybe gutter. Kevyn has not an ounce of respect for women. Saw his true colors. If he didn't get suspended w/days on the street, something is wrong. Aside from that, hope you're doing well.

Thanks. Same to you!

Radiance3

ExperienceCounts wrote:

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eagleye13 Loc: Fl

woodguru wrote:

Something a good friend that is hard conservative ... (show quote)

"The truth is whatever the facts are whether you agree with or believe them or not.

He wanted to know what makes what I believe right and what he believes wrong. I told him to start with he can't tell me a single detail about what he believes, he knows nothing about it, I asked him why he would continue to believe something he knows nothing about when he's talking to someone who could provide a hundred details on it that he's never heard of?" - woodguru

Really?!

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eagleye13 Loc: Fl

eagleye13 wrote:

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Woody!
Get back with us after you get up from your nap.

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