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May 14, 2014 13:09:30   #
John C. Hyland
 
Just another little tidbit! Bush inherited a recession from Clinton then faced three more serious economic problems! The worst hurricane in history, Katrina! 9-11 that nearly destroyed our economic system. Two wars that were necessary to get Saddam Hussein out of power who had killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and then invaded two of his neighboring countries and used poison gas on both his own people and Iranians! Liberals then said he didn't have any WMD's but yet HE USED THEM! How can he use WMD's if he didn't have any? Weird!
John C. Hyland

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May 14, 2014 18:23:58   #
Tyster
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Wow very intelligent. Still haven 't told me what voter fraud and what tax increase. Yes less money in your pocket is because middle class wages have not gone up because of income and equality . To try and explain the tea party folks want tax breaks for the wealthy and hope it trinkles down in the form of jobs . But it's been. 30 years since Reagun put trickle down and it has not the upper 3.% wage earners have gone up 270% you have only gone up. 7% so with inflation your actually making less. Stop your insults and drop the hatrage for the black guy . The facts are there just google it . I don 't make these facts up.
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The facts are there... but you don't know how to use them. It is true that deficits increased as you laid out. But that is only half the story. ALL tax and spending bills must come from the House. Reagan agreed to tax increases - when he was promised spending cuts at a rate of $3 for each $1 of tax increase. As Gomer would say... surprise, surprise, just more Democrat lies.

GWB did spend too much... and it is why he lost the support of most Republicans.

Don't act like Obama knows how to budget... not even Democrats in the House would vote for any of the ones he has submitted. House budgets are stymied with Dirty Harry not allowing them to ever come to a vote.

Your numbers are smoke and mirrors... just another way to prevaricate.

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May 15, 2014 05:18:40   #
funguy1949
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Wow very intelligent. Still haven 't told me what voter fraud and what tax increase. Yes less money in your pocket is because middle class wages have not gone up because of income and equality . To try and explain the tea party folks want tax breaks for the wealthy and hope it trinkles down in the form of jobs . But it's been. 30 years since Reagun put trickle down and it has not the upper 3.% wage earners have gone up 270% you have only gone up. 7% so with inflation your actually making less. Stop your insults and drop the hatrage for the black guy . The facts are there just google it . I don 't make these facts up.
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If your so dead set on all this BS liberalism then why the hell is the economy is the way it is today than it was before your obama dog took office also include why is umimployment so dam high/ an why the hell is the defcit 17.5 trillion it should be higher but the 2 trillion went on the bush's books/seems your so call liberalism doesn't work for crap.All you want to do is lie about or dam well blame someone eles for your own dum ass mistakes for failing.All you liberals can do is repeat what ever you obama dog tells you an the things he's lied from the get go an all you can do is prase him/DEAF/DUM/BLIND

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May 19, 2014 20:36:56   #
Airforceone
 
John C. Hyland wrote:
Sorry about that, but you assessment is way off base.
You can't figure in anything that happened in the Bush Presidency!
And besides, the Democrats took over Congress in the 2006 election. So, they, the Liberals, had control of all spending, budgets, etc., starting in 2007!
Before they took over, Bush had his deficit going down for three straight years. At that point it was only $1.5 trillion deficit. Now it is $17.6 T. and growing daily since Liberals and Obama took over.
Bush unemployment set records at 4.4%. Economists figure it is really near 20% now. Bush had record employment. Record Tax returns from Corporations at 46%! Near 10 million new jobs created. A record 52 straight periods of GDP growth. All down the drain when the Dems took over in 2007 and Obama running the Senate at that point! Then Obama took over completely in 2009. (All because of the Blacks voting color (96%) instead of looking for some truth, integrity in a President). Had it been a 96% white vote for Bush, there would have been riots.
Got it now!
God bless.......,JCH
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Tell me how you came up with those Facts you are way off base. Are you saying that the Bush Tax cuts a cost of 1.2 trillion unpaid for the Iraq war 1.4 trillion unpaid Afgan war 1.2 trillion and still counting unpaid for,Medicare part C pharmaceutical bill 480 billion unpaid for. Collapse of housing industry to big to fail. TARP 480 million. Unemployment at. 7.9 % and 1st 2 months of Obama we 750,000 jobs Jan 2009 800,000 jobs Feb 2009. You have no idea how much revenue to the federal government was lost with that kind of unemployment. Corporate Tax cuts it's amazing how much money was wasted under Bush Channey and you blame that on Obama. Yes we had control of the house but who had the Presidency and the Senate. Nothing could be done to stop Bush and his steam rolling of waste

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May 20, 2014 00:19:04   #
Airforceone
 
funguy1949 wrote:
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You guys are just 100% in denial. You just cannot look at facts

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May 20, 2014 14:45:23   #
funguy1949
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Tell me how you came up with those Facts you are way off base. Are you saying that the Bush Tax cuts a cost of 1.2 trillion unpaid for the Iraq war 1.4 trillion unpaid Afgan war 1.2 trillion and still counting unpaid for,Medicare part C pharmaceutical bill 480 billion unpaid for. Collapse of housing industry to big to fail. TARP 480 million. Unemployment at. 7.9 % and 1st 2 months of Obama we 750,000 jobs Jan 2009 800,000 jobs Feb 2009. You have no idea how much revenue to the federal government was lost with that kind of unemployment. Corporate Tax cuts it's amazing how much money was wasted under Bush Channey and you blame that on Obama. Yes we had control of the house but who had the Presidency and the Senate. Nothing could be done to stop Bush and his steam rolling of waste
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Boy oh boy another liberal who can't face the truth,look at whos in the presidency and holds the senate now jackass.An the nation is going down the toilet only took less than 6 years and they are still blaming other's for there failure's. DEAF/DUM/BLIND DEMWITS ALL

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May 20, 2014 15:15:43   #
Tyster
 
tdsrnest wrote:
You guys are just 100% in denial. You just cannot look at facts


Are you looking at a mirror? As with too many Progressives, you will not take responsibility for any results. Everything is someone else's fault and for you it always is Bush.

By the end of his second term, Bush was not well regarded by many in the GOP for his allowing the Dems who took over Congress in 2006 run roughshod over him. But Obama has just doubled down on what you wish to blame on Bush. He has done little to turn around the problems he "inherited".

It is funny that TARP is included. I remember how that all unfolded, and find it funny that everyone wants to lay that one at Bush's feet. If you choose to recall history.... the problem reached its public awareness point 6 weeks before the 2008 election. McCain announced he was stopping his campaign to return to Washington, DC for a few days to work with Congress and the Executive branches to find a remedy. Obama did not announce anything but did go back to DC. They held a grand joint meeting out of which TARP was born. What no one seems to recall is that the Democrat leadership (Reid and Pelosi) stepped aside to allow Obama to take charge of the meeting. Word was that he utterly failed to lead the meeting well... but I digress.

So, TARP is a joint Executive/Congressional program that resulted from a meeting led by Barrack Obama. But since Bush still held the President's seat, you place ALL of the blame on him?

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May 20, 2014 17:51:14   #
Airforceone
 
funguy1949 wrote:
Boy oh boy another liberal who can't face the truth,look at whos in the presidency and holds the senate now jackass.An the nation is going down the toilet only took less than 6 years and they are still blaming other's for there failure's. DEAF/DUM/BLIND DEMWITS ALL


Come on funguy how can anything get done the republicans have filibustered 500 bills in the senate. The house controlled by by republicans refuse to even bring it up for a vote. The biggest filibuster is the American jobs act and the highway bill. So stop your nonsense and your insults. Very easy stuff to verify. Give it a shot you might get to the truth.

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May 20, 2014 23:16:10   #
John C. Hyland
 
What happened to the 45 bills that PASSED the House and were sent to the Senate and died in Reid's tiny hands!
Many were to help the economy and many for getting jobs going!
But not dice by Reid! Is he the biggest idiot ever?
Seems so!
John C. Hyland

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May 21, 2014 00:38:45   #
Airforceone
 
John C. Hyland wrote:
What happened to the 45 bills that PASSED the House and were sent to the Senate and died in Reid's tiny hands!
Many were to help the economy and many for getting jobs going!
But not dice by Reid! Is he the biggest idiot ever?
Seems so!
John C. Hyland


Ya those were to repel the ACA and that's not going to happen the ACA is working great. I am talking about bills like the American Jobs act and the highway bill . These two bills were scored by the CBO to put an additional 2.5 million people back to work and actually add revenue to the Fed . Look between Boehner and Reid both suck the games they are playing are hurting real people. All these crazy conspiracy theories are just trumped up by By Fox.

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May 21, 2014 09:24:04   #
Tyster
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Ya those were to repel the ACA and that's not going to happen the ACA is working great. I am talking about bills like the American Jobs act and the highway bill . These two bills were scored by the CBO to put an additional 2.5 million people back to work and actually add revenue to the Fed . Look between Boehner and Reid both suck the games they are playing are hurting real people. All these crazy conspiracy theories are just trumped up by By Fox.


Actually over half of the bills were job related measures and not related to the ACA. Reid doesn't like the bills so he refuses to even bring them to the floor for discussion. That would lead to having to compromise with the House... and while Reid and Obama say they want to work with Republicans, it is only when they can have their way. At least the GOP is attempting to bring things up to debate... it is the Democrats that are being obstructionists.

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May 21, 2014 11:13:08   #
Airforceone
 
Tyster wrote:
Actually over half of the bills were job related measures and not related to the ACA. Reid doesn't like the bills so he refuses to even bring them to the floor for discussion. That would lead to having to compromise with the House... and while Reid and Obama say they want to work with Republicans, it is only when they can have their way. At least the GOP is attempting to bring things up to debate... it is the Democrats that are being obstructionists.


I disagree they classified as job creation but if you read the CBO scoring they actually eliminate jobs. And most of those bills had amendments to destroy the ACA disguised as job creation . Have you ever read any of those bills. But I do agree we have a republican lead house and democrat lead Senate. So Reid and Boehner refuse to bring these bills to the floor of Congress. Why don 't those. 2 morons just put it on the floor for an up and down vote. But they don 't because these politicians do not want to go on record as to there vote. The two that really disturb me are the highway bill, and American jobs Act which address bipartisan views, CBO scoring that it will creat 2.5 million jobs, create large revenues to the Fed, bring untold number of manufacturing jobs back to this country thru Obama created Tax incentives.

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May 21, 2014 11:19:57   #
Tyster
 
tdsrnest wrote:
I disagree they classified as job creation but if you read the CBO scoring they actually eliminate jobs. And most of those bills had amendments to destroy the ACA disguised as job creation . Have you ever read any of those bills. But I do agree we have a republican lead house and democrat lead Senate. So Reid and Boehner refuse to bring these bills to the floor of Congress. Why don 't those. 2 morons just put it on the floor for an up and down vote. But they don 't because these politicians do not want to go on record as to there vote. The two that really disturb me are the highway bill, and American jobs Act which address bipartisan views, CBO scoring that it will creat 2.5 million jobs, create large revenues to the Fed, bring untold number of manufacturing jobs back to this country thru Obama created Tax incentives.
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It actually goes beyond representatives/senators not wanting to take a position. If one house passes the bill and then the other one votes it down, it is supposed to go to a conference negotiation to work out differences and produce a bill both can approve of. If one house refuses to bring it to the floor then it just lingers.

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May 21, 2014 16:43:35   #
funguy1949
 
Tyster wrote:
It actually goes beyond representatives/senators not wanting to take a position. If one house passes the bill and then the other one votes it down, it is supposed to go to a conference negotiation to work out differences and produce a bill both can approve of. If one house refuses to bring it to the floor then it just lingers.



It's called checks and balances by both party's an if a bill is refused,it doesn't linger there it just dies,politicans want just too much red tape added on to all,mostly goverment potbilly spending,in the begging demwits had both house and senate for 2 years and not a things was done or passed except for BS bills and then they truned everything back& lied about the bush& reagon administrations for there own failure to come up with a good sound fix.lets face facts liberals are not good leaders point blank.They are just too brainwashed/braindead to see truth for there own good of things.

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May 21, 2014 22:39:07   #
Airforceone
 
Tyster wrote:
It actually goes beyond representatives/senators not wanting to take a position. If one house passes the bill and then the other one votes it down, it is supposed to go to a conference negotiation to work out differences and produce a bill both can approve of. If one house refuses to bring it to the floor then it just lingers.


Yes you are right about a conference but the house and the senate have to vote for the conference. And I believe they don 't like doing that, if there is a wide gap between left and right. But correct me if I am wrong whatever comes out of the conference has to be excepted. That's why they don't use it. It's the same thing with unions with a no strike Claus with mandatory arbitration. I love the theory around the conference I think any bill that comes out of committee and is passed by one and not the other should be mandatory Conference. I hate it when all that work all that time and one branch shuts it down. Would a conference also help politically if a senator comes from a certain district that he know's there people will not like it he can vote no he is off the hook.

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