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Oct 30, 2020 12:22:12   #
Seth
 
straightUp wrote:
And yet again... my argument not only hold true but actually explains all the historic events you are finding.

In fact, you can't deny my logic without discrediting Nixon's quest for energy independence a call that's been echoed by every Republican president since. Obviously, energy independence is the preferred way to avoid these "oil shocks" But neither you nor your sources have an answer as to why we became energy dependent in the first place. And when I gave you that answer it just went right over your head.

You're like that woman that keeps getting pregnant but fails to realize it's because she keeps having unprotected sex.

"I keep getting pregnant!"
"yeah, because you keep having unprotected sex."
"but it happened many times!"
"yeah, because you keep having unprotected sex."
"but it happened two years ago!!"
"yeah, because you keep having unprotected sex."
"but then it happened again last year!!!"
"yeah, because you keep having unprotected sex."
"but then it happened again earlier this year!!!!"
"yeah, because you keep having unprotected sex."

Seriously, this is how this conversation looks to me.
And yet again... my argument not only hold true bu... (show quote)


You really are screwed up.

The Israelis didn't invite Syria and Egypt to invade them on Yom Kippur. The two countries attacked on that day because they knew they'd catch the Israelis the only day of the year when their guard was down -- Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the Jewish year, and most of the IDF was stood down for observance.

The Arabs pummeled them as such until Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan got things organized several days into the invasion and turned it around. I have an uncle and a cousin who fought in that war, and later got first hand accounts.

I really don't know where you lefties come up with your history rewrite bullshit, but outside your bubble of ignorance there just happens to be a real world.

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Oct 30, 2020 12:23:44   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
straightUp wrote:
Oh, so you've travelled all around the country looking for the most windy spots eh? I guess that means what YOU see is all that matters. LOL

On the other hand, much research has been done on this and it's pretty well known that the windiest places in the U.S. are in fact, open spaces.



Notice the purple region where the wind is the highest. That's the Great Plains my friend. Now look at the top 5 states currently producing energy from wind according to the American Wind Energy Association.



The only state listed that doesn't have a share of the Great Plains is California. It's because California lacks the wide open spaces found in places like Kansas or the shallow waters found in places like the North Sea or eastern seaboard, they use the next best thing... locations *near* mountains. Not in the mountains but *near* the mountains. That's because the mountains can form passes between them where the wind is accelerated. These places also tend to be void of trees.



I've seen the wind farm at Tehachapi Pass, which is the largest in the country (some of it pictured above). You can drive right through the pass from the valley to the high desert without seeing any forest at all. Veer off the freeway and climb up either side of the pass for 15 minutes and you start seeing trees, another 15 minutes and your in the forest and guess what? No turbines.

But, oh wait... Marty says we have to cut down trees to build turbines... Gee, I guess the billion dollar industry has is all wrong. Maybe they should call you. LOL
Oh, so you've travelled all around the country loo... (show quote)

Just pointed out what is in my neighborhood.
Come see for yourself.

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Oct 30, 2020 13:06:27   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Seth wrote:
We at least have a president with a track record for positive accomplishments. You know, the track record that you've seen posted here at least 50 times, the track record you and your fellow travelers pointedly ignore while you snivel about Trump's tax returns and the rest of the "orange man bad" drivel while somehow managing not to mention anything relevant to his job as POTUS.

We don't always ignore the list, it's just that when a poster debunks anything (or everything) on it, you prefer not to see it, choosing instead to insult the poster as Marxist parrot, or whatever comes to mind in the heat of the moment.

I've seen the lists and I've debunked a lot the items therein. A number of Trump's "accomplishments" are actually disasters for our nation, it's just that Trump supporters tend to lack the education and intelligence to see it. The accomplishments of others also tend to find their way onto the list, falsely crediting Trump for things he didn't even do. Many more of these supposed accomplishments are actually promises that have yet to be carried out. Trump has developed a reputation for talking about things that haven't been done yet as if they have been. I don't see why his idiot followers would be any different. As for actual verified accomplishments, Trump's list is limited to actions that are so minor they barely register as anything significant at all, though you wouldn't know by talking to Trump.

Kim Kardashian sweet talks Trump into granting pardons for a few people and all of a sudden he's responsible for the greatest justice reform in world history. LOL

He notices that unemployment for blacks, which has been falling since 2012, is at an all time low and all of a sudden he's done more for blacks than any other president in history with the *possible* exception of Lincoln.

No offense Seth, but when you folks dangle that idiot list of "50 accomplishments" in front of intelligent people it's exactly the same as holding up a sign that says "I'm Stupid".

Feel free to mention ANY of his accomplishments and see what happens.

Seth wrote:

Most Americans are more concerned with the economy, the quality of life, low taxes, safe streets, homeland security and so forth while your ilk's focus is on Stormy Daniels (forgetting Clinton's in-office romps) and other items the average American couldn't care less about.

*Most Americans* are primarily concerned with getting Trump out before he screws things up even more than he already has. I know you've mentioned that "silent majority" waiting to vote for Trump since that would be the ONLY way to disprove my point. But... people are already voting and I'm not seeing any sign of them yet and there's only a few days left. Where's your little friends Seth?

Seth wrote:

and flogging false pandemic BS and bogus race issues when he has handled Covid as well as any POTUS could and is not a racist, while he also fielded the numerous other concerns related to the presidency with the energy and efficiency of a highly experienced, successful businessman.

LOL! Actually, no other POTUS could have screwed it up as bad. Trump is the only POTUS we've ever had with enough ignorance and audacity to argue with science as Americans die by the thousands.

Seth wrote:

Wake up, as they say, and smell the coffee. ☕

Yes, that's what they say... So when are you going to do that?

Seth wrote:

Most Americans don't give a rat's hindquarters about the anti-Trump issues your ilk focuses on.

You just contradicted yourself. Earlier you said most Americans are "more concerned with the economy, the quality of life, low taxes, safe streets, homeland security and so forth." Well, the economy is one of the big reasons why we think Trump has to go.

We KNOW that the economy was already on a healthy bull run in 2016 and projected to continue it's growth for the next few years after that. We KNOW that the economic policies established after Trump took office in 2017 didn't have any effect on the economy until 2018 and we know we saw a decline in growth rate in 2019 BEFORE the pandemic hit. We also KNOW that since the 2017 Tax Cut, our deficit has go through the roof.

Quality of life is also a huge concern and there is no threat to our quality of life greater than Trump who has rolled back all the environmental regulations that insure clean water to to drink and clean air to breathe. He has also amplified the tension between Americans to the point of increased hostility. The streets were way safer when Obama was still in charge.

Even homeland security has deteriorated since Trump took charge and decided it would be a good idea to embolden the terrorists that call themselves militia and are currently running around trying to kidnap state governors and intimidate voters.

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Oct 30, 2020 13:08:45   #
Rose42
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:



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Oct 30, 2020 13:11:10   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Just pointed out what is in my neighborhood.
Come see for yourself.

OK, and that's fine... But your neighborhood isn't the entire country. I hope by showing you the bigger picture you can see how the assertion that wind farming necessitates deforestation is a misunderstanding at best.

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Oct 30, 2020 13:12:22   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Rose42 wrote:

Barracuda wrote:



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Oct 30, 2020 13:21:48   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Seth wrote:
You really are screwed up.

That's your opinion.

Seth wrote:

The Israelis didn't invite Syria and Egypt to invade them on Yom Kippur. The two countries attacked on that day because they knew they'd catch the Israelis the only day of the year when their guard was down -- Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the Jewish year, and most of the IDF was stood down for observance.

The Arabs pummeled them as such until Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan got things organized several days into the invasion and turned it around. I have an uncle and a cousin who fought in that war, and later got first hand accounts.
br The Israelis didn't invite Syria and Egypt to ... (show quote)

The worst place to find the truth is from the people that were there because they can't maintain an unbiased view. It would be like asking the ISIS fighters for an objective view on Middle Eastern politics.

Seth wrote:

I really don't know where you lefties come up with your history rewrite bullshit, but outside your bubble of ignorance there just happens to be a real world.

Huh... well I know exactly where you Zionists come up with your bullshit revisions of history. As for me, I listen to both sides and I know the truth is somewhere between them. Most of what I've said about the history actually comes from Israeli sources. (Not all Israelis are Zionists). I find the defiant honesty of groups like the Orthodox Jews provide a refreshing contrast to the Zionist BS.

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Oct 30, 2020 13:22:17   #
Seth
 
straightUp wrote:
You just contradicted yourself. Earlier you said most Americans are "more concerned with the economy, the quality of life, low taxes, safe streets, homeland security and so forth." Well, the economy is one of the big reasons why we think Trump has to go.

We KNOW that the economy was already on a healthy bull run in 2016 and projected to continue it's growth for the next few years after that. We KNOW that the economic policies established after Trump took office in 2017 didn't have any effect on the economy until 2018 and we know we saw a decline in growth rate in 2019 BEFORE the pandemic hit. We also KNOW that since the 2017 Tax Cut, our deficit has go through the roof.

Quality of life is also a huge concern and there is no threat to our quality of life greater than Trump who has rolled back all the environmental regulations that insure clean water to to drink and clean air to breathe. He has also amplified the tension between Americans to the point of increased hostility. The streets were way safer when Obama was still in charge.

Even homeland security has deteriorated since Trump took charge and decided it would be a good idea to embolden the terrorists that call themselves militia and are currently running around trying to kidnap state governors and intimidate voters.
You just contradicted yourself. Earlier you said m... (show quote)


Yeah, yeah, here we go again with the John Correspondent type "reasoned" denial.

You downplay what you can't deny and "debunk" Trump's accomplishments by applying socialist logic?

Try applying "logic" that makes sense to freedom loving Americans rather than to leftists like AOC or Bernie Sanders.

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Oct 30, 2020 13:24:10   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
straightUp wrote:
OK, and that's fine... But your neighborhood isn't the entire country. I hope by showing you the bigger picture you can see how the assertion that wind farming necessitates deforestation is a misunderstanding at best.


https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/wind-turbines-against-nature/?gclid=CjwKCAjw8-78BRA0EiwAFUw8LCDH1PwSgg543f22dM4aApAD3qziCt-_L8tXh8q_xuMeADHqDZsTWxoC9wAQAvD_BwE

https://scitechdaily.com/wind-farms-cause-more-environmental-impact-than-previously-thought/

Always a cost to everything.

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Oct 30, 2020 15:08:10   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Let's just hit on the last one...Failed climate models, bahahaha, LMAO...RIIIIIIIIGT

I'm sure all the research not allowed to the public from EPA research is all fake. Have you noticed anything the right doesn't like, which is ANYTHING that comes from the left, whether right or wrong is fake, there's your sign buddy.

I'm sure that all the people who have lost their homes due to raging fires share your indifference and lack of concern. While your imagination on conspiracies of climate change being a farce, you've been completely clueless to the costs for the damage we have to keep paying for, from droughts on up to fires, tornadoes and hurricanes. Not to mention new diseases, viruses, insects bubbling up. Hello Coivid !

A White House Memorandum...Climate change poses a significant and growing threat to national security, both at home and abroad. Climate change and its associated impacts affect economic prosperity, public health and safety, and international stability. Extended drought, more frequent and severe weather events, heat waves, warming and acidifying ocean waters, catastrophic wildfires, and rising sea levels all have compounding effects on people's health and well-being. Flooding and water scarcity can negatively affect food and energy production. Energy infrastructure, essential for supporting other key sectors, is already vulnerable to extreme weather and may be further compromised. Impacts of a changing climate can create conditions that promote pest outbreaks and the spread of invasive species as well as plant, animal, and human disease, including emerging infectious disease, and these can further undermine economic growth and livelihoods. Impacts can also disrupt transportation service, cutting off vulnerable communities from relief immediately after events and reducing economic output. These conditions, in turn, can stress some countries' ability to provide the conditions necessary for human security. All of these effects can lead to population migration within and across international borders, spur crises, and amplify or accelerate conflict in countries or regions already facing instability and fragility.

Climate change and associated impacts on U.S. military and other national security-related missions and operations could adversely affect readiness, negatively affect military facilities and training, increase demands for Federal support to non-federal civil authorities, and increase response requirements to support international stability and humanitarian assistance needs.

The costs of preparing for, responding to, and recovering from the impacts of climate change are expected to increase in the coming decades. Some meteorological events (i.e., heat waves and intense precipitation) are projected to become more frequent and more severe, occur in geographic areas not previously exposed to such events, inflict more damage, heighten humanitarian needs, undermine development investments, adversely impact public health, contribute to ecological, social, and political instability, compromise diplomatic goals, and undermine national security interests. There is evidence that the rate of climate change and the resulting impacts are accelerating, even as global efforts to curb greenhouse gas pollution are increasing. The United States must take a comprehensive approach to identifying and acting on climate change-related impacts on national security interests, including by maintaining its international leadership on climate issues.
Let's just hit on the last one...Failed climate mo... (show quote)

Firefighters are not indifferent, uncaring, callous or dispassionate people, we have seen the tragedies wrought by fire and other disasters, we have seen the pain and anguish and the death up close and personal. It is often heart breaking.

The earth is part of a dynamic and very complex system that includes the sun, moon and planets. Throughout earth's history, there were droughts, floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, heat waves, cold spells, volcanoes, earthquakes, and shifts in the geology, the biosphere and eco-system. Earth experienced the greenhouse effect long before man discovered coal and petroleum, long before the industrial revolution.

Regarding the WH memorandum, Obama's memo provides a laundry list of assumed risks supposedly due to climate change, but, other than the implication that global leadership can only be found in those of a certain political ideology, it offers no solutions.

If you want the cause of AGW alarmism, follow the money, not the science.

We're all doomed and the only way to stop it is to put the Wizards of Doom in charge.

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Oct 30, 2020 15:57:31   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Seth wrote:
Yeah, yeah, here we go again with the John Correspondent type "reasoned" denial.

It seems better than your "baseless" denial.

Seth wrote:

You downplay what you can't deny and "debunk" Trump's accomplishments by applying socialist logic?

I downplay the molehills that Trump-o-mania makes into mountains, to restore context and there's no such thing as socialist logic. Logic is logic.

Seth wrote:

Try applying "logic" that makes sense to freedom loving Americans rather than to leftists like AOC or Bernie Sanders.

People like AOC and Bernie ARE freedom loving Americans and so far, the ONLY Americans that I have seen actually consider tyranny as a possible option are Trump supporters.

Go figure.

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Oct 30, 2020 15:59:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
People like AOC and Bernie ARE freedom loving Americans and so far, the ONLY Americans that I have seen actually consider tyranny as a possible option are Trump supporters.

Go figure.



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Oct 30, 2020 16:01:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/wind-turbines-against-nature/?gclid=CjwKCAjw8-78BRA0EiwAFUw8LCDH1PwSgg543f22dM4aApAD3qziCt-_L8tXh8q_xuMeADHqDZsTWxoC9wAQAvD_BwE

https://scitechdaily.com/wind-farms-cause-more-environmental-impact-than-previously-thought/

Always a cost to everything.


Yes, there is a cost to everything, so it becomes a matter of comparison. Political discussions often ignore the relativity and opt for absolute assertions.

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Oct 30, 2020 16:03:54   #
GmanTerry
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
ENOUGH current renewables is NOT YET a reality! Cleaner is better, but we ARE NOT THERE YET! Being "in the end far less costly" is NOT YET KNOWN! A hope yes, a goal yes, PROVEN NO! Day dreams about the future might be a fun exercise, but we MUST LIVE IN THE PRESENT, while we work toward our dreams!


Excellant response. I worked in energy most of my life and the Green Energy push is why California is having power outages. There is presently only one Green source of peak energy and that is batteries. Super expensive, dirty to manufacture and presently NOT practical.


Semper Fi

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Oct 30, 2020 16:20:06   #
Cuda2020
 
Seth wrote:
We at least have a president with a track record for positive accomplishments. You know, the track record that you've seen posted here at least 50 times, the track record you and your fellow travelers pointedly ignore while you snivel about Trump's tax returns and the rest of the "orange man bad" drivel while somehow managing not to mention anything relevant to his job as POTUS.

Most Americans are more concerned with the economy, the quality of life, low taxes, safe streets, homeland security and so forth while your ilk's focus is on Stormy Daniels (forgetting Clinton's in-office romps) and other items the average American couldn't care less about, and flogging false pandemic BS and bogus race issues when he has handled Covid as well as any POTUS could and is not a racist, while he also fielded the numerous other concerns related to the presidency with the energy and efficiency of a highly experienced, successful businessman.

Wake up, as they say, and smell the coffee. ☕

Most Americans don't give a rat's hindquarters about the anti-Trump issues your ilk focuses on.
We at least have a president with a track record f... (show quote)


You really should refrain from saying most Americans, you and your ilk are not most Americans. Rather say my party, more accurate. BTW in our last presidential election MOST Americans, by majority did NOT vote for Trump, but went to the Democratic side and aligning on those issues, and yes the environment was right up there.

Clearly what you people are all about is force, what to force onto people which is why you support, guns, police with their abuse of power and murder, the military with their abuse of power. It goes on and on and you sit there and support it. You support them taking away rights and then abuse you if you revolt. Look what's happening, are you blind? Don't you see that set up?

Stormy Danial's! LOL no one has brought her up since 2017! Clinton? He hasn't been in office for 20 years and has nothing to do with anything anymore, jeez try and keep up buddy. This is sad. I know the right lives in the past but this is a little concerning my friend.

A successful businessman is not losing more money then he makes and is in one step away from financial ruin.

Talk about not smelling the coffee, you must still be drinking the right propaganda Kool-Aid.

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