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Aug 31, 2020 17:51:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
drlarrygino wrote:
I'll bet you paid a lot for those size "0" baby shoes that you just bought for yourself, perm.. How much extra did you pay for them to be shipped from Commie China?? Did they come with an autographed President Xi poster for you to hang over your bed??




Gee, Doc... Larry I meant.. you just gotta try harder..

But before I shuffle off, let me ask you.

which would you rather suffer under, a communist regime as in China, NK or others.. Or an Oligarchy as so much effort is being made to produce under our nose in America???

Just to inspire you Larry..
Just to inspire you Larry.....

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Aug 31, 2020 17:59:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Perm, if Heimlich KKKemmer is giving you kudos for a post, that is not a compliment. The bar gets lower for you leftists and soon you will be rivaling racist Mooch Ovommit and racist Orca winfrey for having gone to the lowest bar. In fact you two duds should go into business together and own a bar. Call it, "The Lowest Bar".


Larry, Kemmer and I are very much in agreement on Political issues.. And life itself..

You seem to have lost much of your focus lately and only do name calling and insults.. has trump crumbling got you down?

These are OK, I do not care much, but every now and then you should slip in an opinion or observation..

Keep the threads interesting..

By the way, a nice republican I know well asked why, as I am a liberal do I enjoy, Heehaa and "last man standing"" Do you find that odd as well? Just heard the Hee haa song from the TV room.. nudged my mind..

Lightening could strike at any time.. hold onto a cable..
Lightening could strike at any time.. hold onto a ...

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Aug 31, 2020 18:02:00   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
SGM B wrote:
Actually my friend, I had what I felt was a good rebuttal to this trash until I read some of the others and well, I don't need to offend anyone and get booted off again so I'll resist the urge. 😎
SGM B out


good idea SGM,, at times they toss out so many of us.. just for show..

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Aug 31, 2020 18:04:03   #
GmanTerry
 
permafrost wrote:
From Quora..

I am undecided between Trump and Biden. Is there anyone who can give an unbiased opinion as to the pros and cons of each candidate? So much of the "expert" opinions out there are totally one sided.
We know what four years of Trump looks like, we can only speculate on four years of Biden.

Trump came into office with a growing economy. Under Obama, the Dow grew from below 7,000 to about 24,000 by the time Trump signed his tax bill. By the time the coronavirus hit, the Dow had only reached about 27,000, about half the growth rate as under Obama. Similarly, unemployment under Obama dropped from about 10% to just over 4% by the time Trump passed his tax bill, and only got as low as 3.6% by the time the coronavirus crisis hit. That’s almost 1% annually under Obama compared to less than .2% annually under Trump. Long before the coronavirus even hit China, the Fed lowered interest rates in an attempt to counter the economic slowdown, and Trump himself criticized them for not committing to do more to prevent a recession. That recession officially began in February, a month before the stock market collapsed and unemployment skyrocketed because of the lockdowns.

And all of that assumes that Trump isn’t even responsible for the fact that America has had the worst coronavirus response of any industrialized nation on the planet.

Now we don’t know what a Biden administration will look like, but his platform is largely to return to Obama-era policies. Policies under which the Dow tripled, unemployment dropped by more than half, and under which we successfully navigated two viral outbreaks.

So now your choice is four more years of what we know isn’t working, or to take a chance on four years under a President who wants to go back to what was working before.
From Quora.. br br I am undecided between Trump a... (show quote)



"So now your choice is four more years of what we know isn’t working, or to take a chance on four years under a President who wants to go back to what was working before."

The problem is what Biden is offering has never been successfully done anywhere and has never been working here. Open borders, free healthcare for all non citizens, Shifting student debt to the taxpayers, free childcare, free community college education, reparations to non slaves from non slaveowners, and that is just the start. Sounds like apples and oranges to me. What we know vs the wondrous world of socialism and bankruptcy. You decide.

Semper Fi

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Aug 31, 2020 18:06:06   #
Auntie Dee
 
permafrost wrote:
From Quora..

I am undecided between Trump and Biden. Is there anyone who can give an unbiased opinion as to the pros and cons of each candidate? So much of the "expert" opinions out there are totally one sided.
We know what four years of Trump looks like, we can only speculate on four years of Biden.

Trump came into office with a growing economy. Under Obama, the Dow grew from below 7,000 to about 24,000 by the time Trump signed his tax bill. By the time the coronavirus hit, the Dow had only reached about 27,000, about half the growth rate as under Obama. Similarly, unemployment under Obama dropped from about 10% to just over 4% by the time Trump passed his tax bill, and only got as low as 3.6% by the time the coronavirus crisis hit. That’s almost 1% annually under Obama compared to less than .2% annually under Trump. Long before the coronavirus even hit China, the Fed lowered interest rates in an attempt to counter the economic slowdown, and Trump himself criticized them for not committing to do more to prevent a recession. That recession officially began in February, a month before the stock market collapsed and unemployment skyrocketed because of the lockdowns.

And all of that assumes that Trump isn’t even responsible for the fact that America has had the worst coronavirus response of any industrialized nation on the planet.

Now we don’t know what a Biden administration will look like, but his platform is largely to return to Obama-era policies. Policies under which the Dow tripled, unemployment dropped by more than half, and under which we successfully navigated two viral outbreaks.

So now your choice is four more years of what we know isn’t working, or to take a chance on four years under a President who wants to go back to what was working before.
From Quora.. br br I am undecided between Trump a... (show quote)


A strictly unfair and bias comparison!

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Aug 31, 2020 18:18:18   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Wanna see something truly pathetic? I mean, this is the best the dems could come up with?

Crazy Town: Extended Joe Biden Edition.

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Aug 31, 2020 18:19:44   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jim_oldman wrote:
I will start by debunking your statement “Trump came into office with a growing economy. Under Obama, the Dow grew from below 7,000 to about 24,000 by the time Trump signed his tax bill.”

The numbers are:
The 2007 DOW average was 13,264. During 2008 the DOW average DROPPED to 8,776 & by 2012, Obama’s 2nd term, the DOW average climbed back to 13,104 about the same as it was in 2007. So for the Obama 1st term a net 160 point loss.

From 2012 to 2016 the DOW average increased to 15,660, a 4 year increase of 2,556 or an AVERAGE INCREASE of 639/yr. attributable to the Obama administration.

And you say Trump came with a growing economy. I guess Obama's 639/yr is growth compared to his 1st term 160 point net loss.


In comparison, during Presidents Trumps administration, from 2016 to 2020 the DOW average went from 15,660 to 25,856 so far and going up, an INCREASE of 10,196 or 2,549/yr enduring the pandemic & a Democratic party doing all it can to stifle economic growth in America.

You're kidding yourself when you say "we don’t know what a Biden administration will look like", just ask yourself which people would you trust with your most cherished possession or dealing with personally & believing what they say when under the gun.

Trump is already showing you what works & what WAS NOT working before, and he speaks from the heart not a cue card.
I will start by debunking your statement “Trump ca... (show quote)



Jim, Biden is one of the best in our Government, married for over 40 years to a single woman after the death of his first wife..

Trump is a life long criminal from at least a 3 generation crime family.. a list of his crimes would take all day..

who would I trust,, not even a fit question to ask.. only a fool would trust trump with anything of value..

also, you seem to have lost track of when President Obama was in office.. 2007?... think harder..

You can look at dollar amounts if you wish but the story is about how much improvement has been done..
Also the stock market is only one indicater of how the economy is doing and even trump should know that, but he has done nothing for any part of the economy but the Dow..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/#5b615eb03552

Trump’s stock market returns vs. Obama’s

The four charts below show the gains for the Dow 30 Industrials that Trump tends to tweet and talk about and the S&P 500, which provides a broader view of the stock market.

The first two start with inauguration dates. Since their respective inaugurations, the Dow is up 28% under Trump and over the same time frame it was up 62% under Obama. These figures are based on Thursday’s close before the Dow fell an additional 1.4%.

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For the first three plus years since Trump’s inauguration the S&P 500 has risen 30% while under Obama it increased 70%.

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Aug 31, 2020 18:34:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
GmanTerry wrote:
"So now your choice is four more years of what we know isn’t working, or to take a chance on four years under a President who wants to go back to what was working before."

The problem is what Biden is offering has never been successfully done anywhere and has never been working here. Open borders, free healthcare for all non citizens, Shifting student debt to the taxpayers, free childcare, free community college education, reparations to non slaves from non slaveowners, and that is just the start. Sounds like apples and oranges to me. What we know vs the wondrous world of socialism and bankruptcy. You decide.

Semper Fi
"So now your choice is four more years of wha... (show quote)



Terry, I agree with you. If what you list was what Joe Biden supports, I would have second thoughts and look for a 3rd party... but what you list is not what Biden supports.. it is only what the fish wrap press claims he supports..

far to long to post, but a good listing..
this is
A better list, you can look for what interests you and find his position.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#:~:text=Biden%20supports%20legislation%20to%20eliminate,sentences%20without%20probation%20or%20parole.
2020 proposals
During his 2020 presidential campaign, Biden issued his "Biden Plan for Securing Our Values as a Nation of Immigrants," in which he pledged to "secure our border, while ensuring the dignity of migrants and upholding their legal right to seek asylum. ... enforce our laws without targeting communities, violating due process, or tearing apart families," "ensure our values are squarely at the center of our immigration and enforcement policies," and create a "fair and humane immigration system."[90] Biden's proposals would undo Trump's immigration policies,[91][92] which Biden has criticized as immoral, inhumane, ineffective, economically damaging, and unconstitutional.[90] He pledged a reversal of the Trump administration's family separation policy, travel/refugee bans, and severe restrictions on asylum,[90][92] calling these policies "cruel and senseless" and "un-American."[90] If elected, he pledges to reverse Trump's public charge rule and "so-called National Emergency," which diverted money from the Defense Department to construct a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.[90] Biden criticized Trump's promotion of a border wall, noting that smuggling through legal ports of entry, rather than simple illicit border-crossing, is the dominant method by which illicit drugs enter the U.S., and that "sophisticated criminal organizations" can easily circumvent physical barriers through "border tunnels, semi-submersible vessels, and aerial technology."[90] Biden has called for better security along the border and at ports of entry through technology and infrastructure (such as "cameras, sensors, large-scale x-ray machines, and fixed towers") as well as through improved coordination between federal agencies, as well as Mexican and Canadian authorities.[90]

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Aug 31, 2020 18:35:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
A strictly unfair and bias comparison!
img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/ima... (show quote)


?????How so???

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Aug 31, 2020 20:30:30   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
permafrost wrote:
America,

Lots and lots of articles on the tax cut and its affects.. but we must have seen most of them in past threads.

I will put up one link to a good but dated article..

More concerning to me is the "starve the beast" strategy which has been used a number of times and never seems that people see the long view and the goal of reduced funding..

In the latest case, trump wants to remove the payroll tax which provides for SS and Medicare.. now I believe changed to a delay of payment..

In the first case, we would have to see a reduction is service or benefits without funding for any period of time.
Int the second case, we perhaps would not see reductions, but we would have a problem with a large tax bill, a one lump sum due the following year..

Both prospects are daunting.. Americans should not see either option as any kind of solution to a problem which is not quit upon us yet..

Funding for both is sufficient for a few more years, but it does have to be addressed.. reduced funding by any tactic is only intended to make the problem greater.. with the intent of eventual removal..

As the increased Medicare service with no additional funding will also be a near future problem..

for now as to the tax law, we still have Republicans saying it had an affect, while dems say no.. we can each make up our own mind if we wish..

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/did-the-2017-tax-cut-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-pay-for-itself/

The right question: What would revenues have been without the TCJA?
The most appropriate test of the revenue impact of the TCJA is to compare actual revenues in FY2018 with predicted revenues in FY2018 assuming Congress had not passed the legislation. In fact, the actual amount of revenue collected in FY2018 was significantly lower than the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) projection of FY2018 revenue made in January 2017—before the tax cuts were signed into law in December 2017. The shortfall was $275 billion, or 7.6% of revenues that were expected before the tax cuts took place. Given that the economy grew, and in the absence of another policy that could have caused a large revenue loss, the data imply that the TCJA substantially reduced revenues (Figure
America, br br Lots and lots of articles on the t... (show quote)


Reality:
Social Security generating a net-cash surplus of $3 billion. Similarly, the program's net-cash surplus of a little over $2 billion in 2019 was slightly higher than the $1 billion net-cash surplus the Trustees report had projected for last year

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Aug 31, 2020 20:38:57   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
permafrost wrote:
Jim, Biden is one of the best in our Government, married for over 40 years to a single woman after the death of his first wife..

Trump is a life long criminal from at least a 3 generation crime family.. a list of his crimes would take all day..

who would I trust,, not even a fit question to ask.. only a fool would trust trump with anything of value..

also, you seem to have lost track of when President Obama was in office.. 2007?... think harder..

You can look at dollar amounts if you wish but the story is about how much improvement has been done..
Also the stock market is only one indicater of how the economy is doing and even trump should know that, but he has done nothing for any part of the economy but the Dow..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/#5b615eb03552

Trump’s stock market returns vs. Obama’s

The four charts below show the gains for the Dow 30 Industrials that Trump tends to tweet and talk about and the S&P 500, which provides a broader view of the stock market.

The first two start with inauguration dates. Since their respective inaugurations, the Dow is up 28% under Trump and over the same time frame it was up 62% under Obama. These figures are based on Thursday’s close before the Dow fell an additional 1.4%.

.............

For the first three plus years since Trump’s inauguration the S&P 500 has risen 30% while under Obama it increased 70%.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jim, Biden is one of the best in our Government, m... (show quote)


Appears you should be more concerned with your states debt.
Minnesota debt:
Minnesota only has $22 billion of assets available to pay bills totaling $22.4 billion. Because Minnesota doesn't have enough money to pay its bills, it has a $450.1 million financial hole.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Minnesota had a debt of $16,755,784,000 in fiscal year 2015. The state debt per capita was $3,056. This ranked Minnesota 21st among the states in debt and 31st in per capita debt. The total state debt owned by the 50 states was $1.15 trillion with a per capita debt of $3,582

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Aug 31, 2020 21:59:36   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
From Quora..

I am undecided between Trump and Biden. Is there anyone who can give an unbiased opinion as to the pros and cons of each candidate? So much of the "expert" opinions out there are totally one sided.
We know what four years of Trump looks like, we can only speculate on four years of Biden.

Trump came into office with a growing economy. Under Obama, the Dow grew from below 7,000 to about 24,000 by the time Trump signed his tax bill. By the time the coronavirus hit, the Dow had only reached about 27,000, about half the growth rate as under Obama. Similarly, unemployment under Obama dropped from about 10% to just over 4% by the time Trump passed his tax bill, and only got as low as 3.6% by the time the coronavirus crisis hit. That’s almost 1% annually under Obama compared to less than .2% annually under Trump. Long before the coronavirus even hit China, the Fed lowered interest rates in an attempt to counter the economic slowdown, and Trump himself criticized them for not committing to do more to prevent a recession. That recession officially began in February, a month before the stock market collapsed and unemployment skyrocketed because of the lockdowns.

And all of that assumes that Trump isn’t even responsible for the fact that America has had the worst coronavirus response of any industrialized nation on the planet.

Now we don’t know what a Biden administration will look like, but his platform is largely to return to Obama-era policies. Policies under which the Dow tripled, unemployment dropped by more than half, and under which we successfully navigated two viral outbreaks.

So now your choice is four more years of what we know isn’t working, or to take a chance on four years under a President who wants to go back to what was working before.
From Quora.. br br I am undecided between Trump a... (show quote)


Here's the very best that the Socialcratic usurpers have to offer.

Biden's has always been racist and the Toe has always been a ho.





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Sep 1, 2020 08:49:12   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
America 1 wrote:
Appears you should be more concerned with your states debt.
Minnesota debt:
Minnesota only has $22 billion of assets available to pay bills totaling $22.4 billion. Because Minnesota doesn't have enough money to pay its bills, it has a $450.1 million financial hole.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Minnesota had a debt of $16,755,784,000 in fiscal year 2015. The state debt per capita was $3,056. This ranked Minnesota 21st among the states in debt and 31st in per capita debt. The total state debt owned by the 50 states was $1.15 trillion with a per capita debt of $3,582
Appears you should be more concerned with your sta... (show quote)



America, as a fiscal conservative I am always concerned about government spending. at all levels..

As nearly all states, Minnesota is facing a short fall but the numbers do not match those you post.

These figures are more accurate and current..

Minnesota projects $2.42 billion budget deficit in wake of COVID-19
The emergency budget forecast — based on skimpy data and educated guesses on what the fallout from COVID-19 is doing to state finances — was released Tuesday by Minnesota’s office of Management and Budget and projects a $2.42 billion shortfall.



By Peter Callaghan | MinnPost Staff Writer

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Sep 1, 2020 08:51:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
byronglimish wrote:
Here's the very best that the Socialcratic usurpers have to offer.

Biden's has always been racist and the Toe has always been a ho.




LOL,, I know you area a history buff, byron, and so am I..



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Sep 1, 2020 09:52:04   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
LOL,, I know you area a history buff, byron, and so am I..


Have a nice day, Perm.

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