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Jul 16, 2020 06:19:53   #
Big Kahuna
 
Simple Sam wrote:
I would not kill or cause a child's death. Knowing you worked for the butchers known as planned parenthood, I understand how you think people have a right to kill those seen as burdens.

Do you know about Stephen Hawkins, he was on a ventilator and feeding tubes for most of his life. Beethoven went completely deaf by age 26. Joaquin Rodrigo was also deaf. Louis Thomas Hardin was blind. Sudha Chandran was an amputee. Marla Runyan had Stargardt’s Disease. Vincent Van Gogh was insane. Christy Brown had severe cerebral palsy. Helen Adams Keller, blind and deaf. The list goes on.
I would not kill or cause a child's death. Knowin... (show quote)


Christine Ballsey Ford, AOC and Greta Thunberg are all demented. Probably should have been allowed to die at birth instead of being resuscitated. Just saying.

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Jul 16, 2020 09:25:23   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
proud republican wrote:
Me working in Planned Parenthood have nothing to do with this particular case ... Boy was born unable to breathe on his own , unable to eat on his own,he won't hear his mom's voice,he won't know what love is..he won't
see the sky or smell the flowers ..All he will know is darkness ..... Is that any way to live ??


Light defines darkness!!

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Jul 16, 2020 10:14:30   #
F.D.R.
 
proud republican wrote:
Your baby is born with rare disease that makes him unable to breathe without machine, he can't eat without feeding tube,he is blind and he is deaf..... Doctors say there is no cure ..... What do you do? Do you

A) Let him suffer and keep him on the machine for the rest of his life ?

B) Turn the machine off and let him go in peace . ...

What would you do??Does this baby boy have the right to die with dignity ??


Turn off the machine.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:56:15   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
PeterS wrote:
I thought the legal argument is that viability began in the first trimester?


At conception there is a visible light!
God’s knowing you before that is something to consider too!

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Jul 16, 2020 15:26:46   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
proud republican wrote:
Your baby is born with rare disease that makes him unable to breathe without machine, he can't eat without feeding tube,he is blind and he is deaf..... Doctors say there is no cure ..... What do you do? Do you

A) Let him suffer and keep him on the machine for the rest of his life ?

B) Turn the machine off and let him go in peace . ...

What would you do??Does this baby boy have the right to die with dignity ??


That's really up to the parents, NOT the government, doctor, family or anyone else.

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Jul 16, 2020 15:32:41   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
PeterS wrote:
If you allow the child to die aren't you confirming one of the central premises of RvW in that the right to life is conditional and based on viability?


Roe v wade was based on a lie. It really has no place in this thought.

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Jul 16, 2020 15:34:49   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
lindajoy wrote:
You do but the Supreme Court of the United States recognizes viability at 22 to 24 weeks gestation.

Relative to the scenario here I say remove all life support and allow what will take place to take place. Dignity in its death is something Colorado voted on 2018, it passing unanimously. What is required is two separate physicians to certify death is Eminent with no treatment to alter that outcome..


Kind of cold, but I understand it. I fight death until I am dead myself.

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Jul 16, 2020 15:36:30   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
lindajoy wrote:
You’re welcome proud. No one wishes death upon anyone, at least not those in their right mind. The hardest thing you can do is to choose to turn off life support and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone either.

I voted for dignity of death because I believe in it. Why would we leave anyone on life-support who has no viable brain function, breathing from the machine,Or vegetating away in an ongoing coma knowing they are never going to awaken and if they do they will still be in a vegetative state of mind. It takes a greater form of love to recognize the suffering of that person and letting go.

I also believe that if it’s not time for that child or adult or person to be called then they won’t be and that will be Gods choosing and not ours...
You’re welcome proud. No one wishes death upon any... (show quote)


I guess I've just seen too many die and know that I'll see more.

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Jul 16, 2020 15:43:37   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Christine Ballsey Ford, AOC and Greta Thunberg are all demented. Probably should have been allowed to die at birth instead of being resuscitated. Just saying.


Greta Thunberg has autism, I forgot the exact kind my niece has it too Aspergers'? It's very debilitating, the girl can only focus on one thing in life, unless she's faking.

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Jul 16, 2020 19:08:45   #
promilitary
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Human that cannot survive in their own, or have no opportunity of recovery, should be allowed to die....

There is no dignity in keeping them alive...




Agreed.

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Jul 16, 2020 21:14:15   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Roe v wade was based on a lie. It really has no place in this thought.


So you don't agree that the Supreme Court accurately defined what the 14 admendment and due process meant in accordance to abortion?
Anyway Roe vs Wade only came up because of the question of when life was determined by law earlier in the thread.

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Jul 17, 2020 11:35:43   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Kind of cold, but I understand it. I fight death until I am dead myself.


Frankly, I donot care what the Socus has to say about anything they are simple a person just like me and frankly on most things they are flat out WRONG.

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Jul 22, 2020 00:54:54   #
GmanTerry
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Human that cannot survive in their own, or have no opportunity of recovery, should be allowed to die....

There is no dignity in keeping them alive...


I agree. My son is aware of my DNR order. (Do Not Resuscitate)


Semper Fi

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Jul 22, 2020 20:43:08   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
GmanTerry wrote:
I agree. My son is aware of my DNR order. (Do Not Resuscitate)


Semper Fi


I respect that.... Stay strong

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