billy a Loc: South Florida

This is a cold scenario, I know, but consider this; What if the infant were born perfectly normal. All senses 100%... breathing okay, all of it fine. Then, for whatever reason, Doctors attached the child to a machine that eliminated three of it's senses, and the ability to breathe, creating the need for a ventilator.
Horrible, I know. But this is the conversation I had with myself when I made my Living Will.
I believe in God. I have no right interfering with His plan.
There are benefits to medicine by using these machines, as much can be learned..I leave that to the Doctors. But, given a choice, I'm against maintaining Life artificially.
The argument that the baby may have wanted to live this way is valid, but humans have been being born for thousands of years, and this technology is, what, seventy-five?
Let nature, or God, do It's thing.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Yes... Due to the SCOTUSs inability to define when a life begins.... Very sad..

Owl32 Loc: ARK

This a decision of the Mother and the Father. It is beyond me to say one way or the other but the pain will grow and consumed those suffering thru this agony. Have mercy and understand somethings we cannot change.

PeterS

If you allow the child to die aren't you confirming one of the central premises of RvW in that the right to life is conditional and based on viability?

PeterS

I thought the legal argument is that viability began in the first trimester?

Kevyn

Second, 22 weeks.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Does it?

I have always considered an embryo viable from the moment of implantation...

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

Agreed , right now people are trying to take that possibility away from the mother and doctor by stopping the ability for the decsion to made.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You do but the Supreme Court of the United States recognizes viability at 22 to 24 weeks gestation.

Relative to the scenario here I say remove all life support and allow what will take place to take place. Dignity in its death is something Colorado voted on 2018, it passing unanimously. What is required is two separate physicians to certify death is Eminent with no treatment to alter that outcome..

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Thanks , Linda!! This is what I was thinking too!! Let the baby die with dignity!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You’re welcome proud. No one wishes death upon anyone, at least not those in their right mind. The hardest thing you can do is to choose to turn off life support and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone either.

I voted for dignity of death because I believe in it. Why would we leave anyone on life-support who has no viable brain function, breathing from the machine,Or vegetating away in an ongoing coma knowing they are never going to awaken and if they do they will still be in a vegetative state of mind. It takes a greater form of love to recognize the suffering of that person and letting go.

I also believe that if it’s not time for that child or adult or person to be called then they won’t be and that will be Gods choosing and not ours...

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

Roe vs Wade used Christian theology and the canon law which fixed the point of animation at 40 days for a male and 80 days for a female, a view that persisted until the 19th century, there was otherwise little agreement about the precise time of formation or animation. There was agreement, however, that prior to this point the fetus was to be regarded as part of the mother, and its destruction, therefore, was not homicide.
In the thirteenth century, Catholic theologian Thomas Aquinas wrote that a soul enters the body at 40 days after conception for males and 80 days for females. That became church doctrine for many centuries, and abortion before that time of ensoulment was not considered a mortal sin. The belief that life begins at conception apparently has its origins in an 1869 decree by Pope Pius IX that abortion at any point in pregnancy was cause for excommunication.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

What's with the worst case hypothetical? You had the kid's grave dug before you got him out of the womb.

You ever hear of miracles? They do happen, ya know.

For example:

Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. She deteriorated over a period of many years, several operations, many hospitalizations. It got to the point where she was dying. And, in fact, one doctor described her as being one of the most hopelessly ill patients he'd ever encountered.

Synder ended up in hospice care with a no resuscitation order; she was nearly blind, her hands and body were curled and she had a breathing tube in her throat as well as a tube in her stomach to ensure proper nourishment. Her muscles were atrophied to the point her toes were nearly touching the soles of her feet.

One day, one of her friends called WMBI, the radio station in Chicago run by the Moody Bible Institute, and said, "Pray for Barbara. She's on her deathbed". The station informed its listeners and at least 450 Christians began praying for her. They wrote letters to her saying, "We're praying for you."

Then, on Pentecost Sunday, two of Synder’s friends read her letters from those praying for her. As she listened, she said she heard a male voice coming from the corner of the room — a voice she now believes was God.

"This male voice coming from the corner of the room where nobody was said, 'Get up my child and walk'." She pulled the tube out of her throat and said, "Go find my parents", then jumped out of bed.

Her calves were inflated and her once-atrophied muscles worked again. Her feet and fingers were suddenly straight and normal again. Her blindness, too, had been instantaneously healed. This was a sudden healing of all of her symptoms and all of her illness to the point where … 31 years later she's completely healthy.

Even her physician who had signed the no resuscitation order was so overwhelmed he wrote a lengthy report describing in detail the hopelessness of her condition and concluded that such an instantaneous healing could only occur through divine intervention. Thomas Marshall, MD. Report

When word of Barbara's healing got out, atheists went ballistic.

Miracles do happen and if it was my child in the condition you describe, I would do everything possible to get him on the prayer lists and leave it in the hands of God.

In the eyes of God, every life is precious. It would be a shame not to do everything possible to save him.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Animation? WTF are you talking about?

Science tells us that human life begins at the time of conception. From the moment fertilization takes place, the child’s genetic makeup is already complete. Its gender has already been determined, along with its height and hair, eye and skin color. The only thing the embryo needs to become a fully-functioning being is the time to grow and develop.

Society continually seeks to devalue the lives of the unborn, creating its own definitions of humanity based on distorted views of morality. But the undeniable fact is that life begins at creation, and a human is created as soon as he or she is conceived. God is present at our creation; He is, in fact, our Creator. Our value as human beings created in His image is conceived even before we are.

Just keep in mind, zombie, that at the moment of conception when the human sperm successfully penetrates the cell wall of an egg and enters the egg itself, the result will not be a frog.

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

The law used what the Bible defined when the understanding of what life is. The passage I wrote is from Christian theology and the canon law which fixed the point of animation at 40 days for a male and 80 days for a female, a view that persisted until the 19th century, there was otherwise little agreement about the precise time of formation or animation. The statement made was from what the study determined on the understanding of when. Actually the only time someone gave me a reference article that gave the understanding of conception from the science point of view at about middle of the article there was a paragraph that stated that the writers didn't even know for sure.
As for animation it refers to when the soul gets placed in the infant.
https://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_abortion.htm

For the article have to check and see if I can find the link.
One thing for sure the meaning of life is personal that is the only thing that is for certain.