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May 2, 2020 10:16:23   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
newbear wrote:
Canuckus Deploracus,

No, it wasn't warning enough, it was too late, and too nebulous to sound a warning. The flights from Wunan were designed to infect Italy and Spain in the first place, then invade the unsuspecting North America.

Be a mensch and discus the facts with those who really care...


Yep said with authority from one who has a definite belief on what is most important and how it should be ran.

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May 2, 2020 10:48:37   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
zombinis3 wrote:
According to the link provided if the adminstration had reacted as early as the 30th of December when there were indications that something was happening , even if the worst was covered up. Ensuring the country could have a response. Yes he did stop flights coming in from China. Flights were still arriving carrying people who were possibly infected. You are asked questions on international flights. Was the question asked if the person had been near anywhere that had reported a case? You are asking for the impossible , in a perfect world what you are asking would be possible, this isn't a perfect world. The reason a leader has people to help is so he/she can make decsions on what they are told. The old saying garbage in garbage out , if told garbage then the decsions are going to be garbage. The response to the pandemic should been on his mind since January the 13 of 2017: when an Obama-Trump transition team ran an exercise for pandemic preparedness.

https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html

https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/
According to the link provided if the adminstratio... (show quote)


As late as Feb 29 Trump had scientists like Fauci saying it was nothing more than a strong flu and the effects would be minuscule compared to the seasonal flu. I don't believe was can expect Trump to have been smarter than the experts he was told he wasn't listening to, when he actually was.

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May 2, 2020 14:47:37   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
As late as Feb 29 Trump had scientists like Fauci saying it was nothing more than a strong flu and the effects would be minuscule compared to the seasonal flu. I don't believe was can expect Trump to have been smarter than the experts he was told he wasn't listening to, when he actually was.


Exactly right !

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May 2, 2020 16:18:44   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
As late as Feb 29 Trump had scientists like Fauci saying it was nothing more than a strong flu and the effects would be minuscule compared to the seasonal flu. I don't believe was can expect Trump to have been smarter than the experts he was told he wasn't listening to, when he actually was.


This is what was said ;
On Feb. 29, Fauci gave an interview on the NBC morning talk show “Today,” during which he stated that at that moment in time, “the risk is still low, but this could change.”

“I’ve said that many times even on this program,” Fauci stated in that interview. “You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.”

The situation with COVID-19 in the United States was indeed drastically different on Feb. 29 than it was in mid-April.

By 3/02/2020 6 cases were reported by CDC

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May 2, 2020 18:05:56   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
zombinis3 wrote:
This is what was said ;
On Feb. 29, Fauci gave an interview on the NBC morning talk show “Today,” during which he stated that at that moment in time, “the risk is still low, but this could change.”

“I’ve said that many times even on this program,” Fauci stated in that interview. “You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.”

The situation with COVID-19 in the United States was indeed drastically different on Feb. 29 than it was in mid-April.

By 3/02/2020 6 cases were reported by CDC
This is what was said ; br On Feb. 29, Fauci gave ... (show quote)


A little more to what Fauci said here too~~

Fauci on coronavirus threat in late-February

The President claimed during the availability with the governor of Florida that Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, downplayed the threat of the coronavirus in February, saying that it was "no problem."

"You go back, and you take a look at even professionals like Anthony were saying, 'This is no problem.' This was late in February. This is no problem. This is going to blow over."

Facts First: Trump is wrong that Fauci publicly said the virus was "no problem" and would "blow over." While it is true that Fauci said in late February that Americans did not need to change their behavior patterns at that time, he also clarified that these conditions could change and coronavirus could develop into a major outbreak.

Trump is presumably referring to an interview Fauci did with NBC's "Today" show, which conservative social media users have been sharing as evidence that experts dismissed the threat of the virus as late as February 29. The President himself promoted a tweet in mid-April referring to the interview.

In Fauci's actual interview, he is much less assertive than Trump makes him out to be. He even couched his language by saying multiple times that the virus could become much worse.

"At this moment, there's no need to change anything that you're doing on a day by day basis. Right now, the risk is still low," Fauci said, "but this could change. I've said that many times even on this program."

"When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

When asked how the outbreak would end, Fauci stated that the situation could escalate.

"This could be a major outbreak. I hope not. Or it could be something that's reasonably well controlled," Fauci said. "At the end of the day, this will ultimately go down. Hopefully we could protect the American public from any serious degree of morbidity or mortality. That's the reason why we've got to do the things that we have in our plan."

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May 2, 2020 19:20:28   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lindajoy wrote:
A little more to what Fauci said here too~~

Fauci on coronavirus threat in late-February

The President claimed during the availability with the governor of Florida that Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, downplayed the threat of the coronavirus in February, saying that it was "no problem."

"You go back, and you take a look at even professionals like Anthony were saying, 'This is no problem.' This was late in February. This is no problem. This is going to blow over."

Facts First: Trump is wrong that Fauci publicly said the virus was "no problem" and would "blow over." While it is true that Fauci said in late February that Americans did not need to change their behavior patterns at that time, he also clarified that these conditions could change and coronavirus could develop into a major outbreak.

Trump is presumably referring to an interview Fauci did with NBC's "Today" show, which conservative social media users have been sharing as evidence that experts dismissed the threat of the virus as late as February 29. The President himself promoted a tweet in mid-April referring to the interview.

In Fauci's actual interview, he is much less assertive than Trump makes him out to be. He even couched his language by saying multiple times that the virus could become much worse.

"At this moment, there's no need to change anything that you're doing on a day by day basis. Right now, the risk is still low," Fauci said, "but this could change. I've said that many times even on this program."

"When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

When asked how the outbreak would end, Fauci stated that the situation could escalate.

"This could be a major outbreak. I hope not. Or it could be something that's reasonably well controlled," Fauci said. "At the end of the day, this will ultimately go down. Hopefully we could protect the American public from any serious degree of morbidity or mortality. That's the reason why we've got to do the things that we have in our plan."
A little more to what Fauci said here too~~ br br... (show quote)


To you and zombini...

Glad people are picking up on this...

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May 2, 2020 20:59:19   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
To you and zombini...

Glad people are picking up on this...


Its been in circulation for some time, its ignored as it doesn’t fit the time line narrative they want and as for Fauci, I do not trust the man, his CDC and especially not the WHO...The political outreach here works to no ones advantage but their agenda!

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May 2, 2020 22:06:37   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
lindajoy wrote:
Its been in circulation for some time, its ignored as it doesn’t fit the time line narrative they want and as for Fauci, I do not trust the man, his CDC and especially not the WHO...The political outreach here works to no ones advantage but their agenda!


As untrustworthy as fauci,cdc and the who may seem. It seems that the three are the only stable infomation sources out there. Yes mistake were made from all but since this virus was pretty much unknown default suggestions were made. Some have proven workable others have effects that have bad results. If opening up the country it should be done like a off ramp from the freeway with limited choices and with set policies. Not like the on ramp to the freeway where choices are many .

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May 2, 2020 23:16:38   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
zombinis3 wrote:
As untrustworthy as fauci,cdc and the who may seem. It seems that the three are the only stable infomation sources out there. Yes mistake were made from all but since this virus was pretty much unknown default suggestions were made. Some have proven workable others have effects that have bad results. If opening up the country it should be done like a off ramp from the freeway with limited choices and with set policies. Not like the on ramp to the freeway where choices are many .


I do agree.. Gradual reopening with distance measures in place until more time has passed.. Washing hands all the time, disinfecting work places or your home regularly, etc.. Social distancing in stores a must etc.

Altho from the little I have seen
Beaches, Galveston Texas, as an example not many are following it..

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May 2, 2020 23:17:36   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
zombinis3 wrote:
According to the link provided if the adminstration had reacted as early as the 30th of December when there were indications that something was happening , even if the worst was covered up. Ensuring the country could have a response. Yes he did stop flights coming in from China. Flights were still arriving carrying people who were possibly infected. You are asked questions on international flights. Was the question asked if the person had been near anywhere that had reported a case? You are asking for the impossible , in a perfect world what you are asking would be possible, this isn't a perfect world. The reason a leader has people to help is so he/she can make decsions on what they are told. The old saying garbage in garbage out , if told garbage then the decsions are going to be garbage. The response to the pandemic should been on his mind since January the 13 of 2017: when an Obama-Trump transition team ran an exercise for pandemic preparedness.

https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html

https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/
According to the link provided if the adminstratio... (show quote)


zombinis3,

What does 'an exercise for pandemic preparedness' look like?

Any specific pandemic is brand new phenomenon requiring different counter-measures due to varying and unpredictable severity, not to mention velocity.

I do believe you understand the complexities involved, but there are overtones of an agenda in your writing.

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May 2, 2020 23:31:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lindajoy wrote:
I do agree.. Gradual reopening with distance measures in place until more time has passed.. Washing hands all the time, disinfecting work places or your home regularly, etc.. Social distancing in stores a must etc.

Altho from the little I have seen
Beaches, Galveston Texas, as an example not many are following it..


Yep

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May 2, 2020 23:45:32   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
zombinis3 wrote:
Yep said with authority from one who has a definite belief on what is most important and how it should be ran.


zombinis3,

Canuckus is an old friend who lives in China and we actively lobby the Chinese Communist Party to stop censoring the Hollywood movies made for China. (This is a joke!!!)

What is not a joke: The CCP censoring arm recently deleted all the scenes that implied Freddie Mercury was gay, from the film recounting his career as a front man of the rock group 'Queen'. LOL!

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May 3, 2020 02:01:13   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
newbear wrote:
zombinis3,

What does 'an exercise for pandemic preparedness' look like?

Any specific pandemic is brand new phenomenon requiring different counter-measures due to varying and unpredictable severity, not to mention velocity.

I do believe you understand the complexities involved, but there are overtones of an agenda in your writing.


The same as holding fire drills, causality drills on board ship , during the cold war which kids were told to dunk and cover. It is used to check and see if there are any weakness in the response. Also it is used to make sure everyone knows what to do in accordance to their position. If any weakness is found the weakness should be corrected. In this case the transition team probably sat around a table and talked about it . Like I said earlier this was a new virus so all they had were default actions. If you read overtones of a agenda you were right but it was not toward anything other then making sure that the country and its citizens were safe.

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May 3, 2020 05:36:36   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
So...

China: Bat flu! Dead people! Lock down city! Lockdown nation! Build massive hospital and bring in medical workers from around the nation! Economy tanked!
America: Could be many things... Reactor meltdown... Military uprising... Weird holiday... Maybe some sort of mass hysteria..

Fast forward three months...

America: Bat flu! Why didn't China say something???
China: Ummm🤔🤔🤔


And with that I'm off to the land of nod...

Stay strong and be safe...
So... br br China: Bat flu! Dead people! Lock dow... (show quote)


Canuckus,

when you wake up, you can answer me through a proxy, why you are so angry all of a sudden, when somebody challenges you?

Stay strong and be safe - sorry no emojis!!!

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May 3, 2020 05:40:17   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
trollbear wrote:
Canuckus,

when you wake up, you can answer me through a proxy, why you are so angry all of a sudden, when somebody challenges you?

Stay strong and be safe - sorry no emojis!!!


Chuckle... I'm rarely angry on the forum.. Although I would be lying to say it has never happened....

I do enjoy discourse with those who are able to engage with passion without allowing that same passion to interfere with the relationship...

I do hope that you're safe... Up later than usual.... Is everything ok?

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