tbutkovich wrote:
Does supporting a party that approves of abortion and works hard to fund planned parenthood which aborts an innocent child make you a good person.
First of all, I register as "unaffiliated" because I don't support ANY party. I take position on issues not parties. That being said, I *do* support legal abortion in the first trimester. My reasoning is going to sound ironic to you but I think in the big picture legal abortion, saves more lives.
tbutkovich wrote:
If your a Man God, and decide your wisdom is greater than your creator, I can see how you can come to believe that.
I make no such assumptions about my wisdom OR my creator.
tbutkovich wrote:
If you don’t believe in God, it would be easy to believe you are a Man God and in control of your own destiny.
Are you assuming I don't believe in God? Did I *SAY* I don't believe in God? I was talking about religion, not faith. Some of us can tell the difference.
tbutkovich wrote:
If you believe their is a God read the Bible and embrace its teachings
No offense, but I have too much respect for God to make the arrogant assumption that He can be qualified in a book of stories written by grungy Semites. I say the same about the Koran, which also claims to be an "authority" on God.
tbutkovich wrote:
the determination of whether your a “good man” will be decided by God and not by you.
Well, now that I know your view of God is dictated by the men who wrote the Bible, let me just say I disagree. What seems obvious to me is that you think being good is submitting to the control of other men. Have fun with that.
tbutkovich wrote:
He will not judge you as a good man if you support the killing of the unborn or the infants which are born alive.
Again, we have very different views on this. I think YOU are the one supporting the killing of the unborn by sweeping the issue under the rug. That's essentially all prohibition does. It takes a complete moron to think that people stop doing things just because they're illegal. Women get abortions because they get pregnant when they don't want to and that can be a desperate situation for them. I don't see ANY effort by the anti-choice assholes to actually prevent that from happening (other than demanding abstinence, which is downright naive). 100% of their organized efforts are focused on prohibition which will force uncounted mothers in desperation to abort in the shadows, more likely in later trimesters. But hey... out of sight, out of mind, right?
tbutkovich wrote:
As a Man God you believe you do not answer to anyone and you can control your destiny
I certainly don't think I have control over my destiny. I think I can influence it to some degree (and I have) but I can't "control" it. But you got the first part right. The way I see it, we are ALL our own ultimate authorities. YOU answer to the Church because YOU decided to submit. You have no obligation to do so, it was your own choice. Be a man and embrace that. Take some responsibility for yourself for crying out loud.
tbutkovich wrote:
and you obviously do not believe in an afterlife,
Is that "obvious" to you because you think the only way anyone can possibly believe in an afterlife is if they submit themselves to religion? Truth is, I don't think I know and I'm ok with that.
tbutkovich wrote:
have not accepted a religion to worship your creator.
I don't think I have to "worship" anyone. I can respect things without having to worship them. Religion is a man-made power structure designed to control you and it gets in the way of any direct relationship with God. I'm thoroughly convinced that I have a closer, more direct relationship with God than you do... I think your reverence for God is hijacked by mortal men who use religion to control you.
BTW, this was the same point the reformist made about the Catholic and Anglican Churches during the Renaissance.
tbutkovich wrote:
As such, you are placing yourself at risk at the end of your physical life.
Yeah, I'm not falling for that BS. If you want to control me with fear use a gun.
tbutkovich wrote:
You are rolling the dice believing you can rely on your intellect and make your choices outside the realm of Gods law and you will be fine.
I make no such assumptions. And I'm getting a little tired of YOU telling ME what I think and how wrong I am. It's incredibly arrogant of you.
tbutkovich wrote:
Having a rational intellect, should there happen to “really be a God,” you will be able to cut a deal with God once this all gets revealed to you on judgement day because you are a Man God, an equal, who can sit with him and have a “frank discussion as to why you are a good man. You may explain in your defense that you were ignorant of the truth, you should be granted special consideration for your lack of understanding even though you lacked wisdom because you failed to seek the truth by reading scripture.
br Having a rational intellect, should there happ... (
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Here's what's going to happen... God and I will sit down and light up a joint and have a little chat. He will remind me of that time I ran into that little man who lectured me.
God - "I'm glad you didn't fall for his crap."
Me - "Yeah, me too."
God - "I'm glad you didn't fall for any of those idiot bible-thumpers. BTW - Did you read the Bible?"
Me - "Dude - you KNOW I did"
God - (laughing) "Yeah, I just act like I'm not omnipresent for the sake conversation."
Me - "uh-huh"
God - "It's really a stupid book, isn't it?"
Me - "I always thought so."
silence
Me - "God, why DO you make people so stupid?"
God - "I give everyone brains but it's up to them to use it... Ya know... free will and all that BS".
Now here's the thing, tbut... There is NO reason why YOUR story is any more probable than mine. You've just been programmed to believe in ONE of thousands of stories humans have told about the afterlife from cavemen to you.
tbutkovich wrote:
As a Man God, thus being equal to God, you may believe it will be easy to negotiate your place in the afterlife. Not so! You need to seek the truth in this life to secure a place in the next life, your eternal life.
I pray you use a portion of your time on earth seeking the truth and that you find it. Might help to read the Bible weekly or attend a place of worship and humble yourself before God and acknowledge Jesus Christ as your Savior! Then when you gain wisdom, you may realize the difference between what’s right and what’s wrong and choose to support those who please God, not those who please those of this world e.g. the liberated women who want their right to choose the life or death of their offspring because it gets rid of the problem of an unintended consequence.
God will be the judge of all of us and determine who among us is truly a “good man!” Hopefully you will some day gain wisdom and it will have an impact on who in this world you will align yourself with.
br As a Man God, thus being equal to God, you may... (
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Me - "are you actually calling him?"
God - "shhh!"
ring, ring...
Devil - "Hello?"
God - "Hi this is Amazon Prime, there's a problem with a delivery... someone who logs on OPP as tbutkovich"
Devil - "Yeah, WTF?"
God - "It seems he cast the Bible aside and switched his brain on, so..."
Devil - "That's BS!!! He's mine! Hook line and sinker!"
God - "Well, if you hold I can connect you to the false profit help desk."
Devil - "NOOOO!"
click
Me - ha, ha, ha!
God - "'drives him nuts."
True Story - if you don't believe it you will burn in hell. ;)