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Mar 18, 2020 11:16:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
But they have access to all that wonderful government healthcare

The EU is a complete failure in my books...


Total!!

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Mar 18, 2020 12:23:21   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Grab a paddle and go crazy...

I honesty expected Trudeau to keep flights going much longer... He did well...


It's funny how the open borders Society now wants to close the borders. That's because I know if you have open borders you have no country just like everybody tells them! These far left people aren't stupid except for the people that follow them!

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Mar 18, 2020 12:37:57   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
He was the one who sounded the alarm in December... On the 27th...

It was not immediately acted upon... And the officials involved have been removed from office...


It may be this article that have people confused of the unknown or what the heck category????

China’s communist party is now racing to suppress the story. (The Times)

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

Censors have already begun purging the report from the Chinese internet and Beijing is banishing U.S. journalists from the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post.

This story is developing. Stay with American Action News for the latest updates.


https://americanactionnews.com/foreign-affairs/china-knew-the-dangers-of-covid-19-last-year-before-destroying-research/

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Mar 18, 2020 12:49:40   #
77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States
 
lindajoy wrote:
It may be this article that have people confused of the unknown or what the heck category????

China’s communist party is now racing to suppress the story. (The Times)

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

Censors have already begun purging the report from the Chinese internet and Beijing is banishing U.S. journalists from the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post.

This story is developing. Stay with American Action News for the latest updates.


https://americanactionnews.com/foreign-affairs/china-knew-the-dangers-of-covid-19-last-year-before-destroying-research/
It may be this article that have people confused o... (show quote)


I say here's what we do. Once we have a complete cost of how much all this cost we send the bill to China and let them pay for it. At the same time if I was Trump I would develop a tariff package of 750 billion dollars worth of goods from now until Kingdom Come on the Chinese government for unleashing this virus on to the west and unto their own citizens!

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Mar 18, 2020 13:13:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
It may be this article that have people confused of the unknown or what the heck category????

China’s communist party is now racing to suppress the story. (The Times)

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

Censors have already begun purging the report from the Chinese internet and Beijing is banishing U.S. journalists from the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post.

This story is developing. Stay with American Action News for the latest updates.


https://americanactionnews.com/foreign-affairs/china-knew-the-dangers-of-covid-19-last-year-before-destroying-research/
It may be this article that have people confused o... (show quote)


I don't know. There's always the theory that China let this happen because they knew the media would use it against Trump politically and a democrat would be elected; one who has no problem with China scamming the US on trade.

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Mar 18, 2020 16:33:18   #
Tug484
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Totally imaginary fiction, produced by the Trump hating media who knew that this would hurt Trump. All they had to do was spin it as Trumps fault and the idiots would lap it up like butta!


You nailed it.
Since the virus seems to be bad in Washington, I think they need to send a bunch home in Congress.
Work with a skeleton crew and we might find out we don't need that many people up there.

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Mar 18, 2020 16:44:14   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tug484 wrote:
You nailed it.
Since the virus seems to be bad in Washington, I think they need to send a bunch home in Congress.
Work with a skeleton crew and we might find out we don't need that many people up there.


True. They already work like there is just a few up there as it is.

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Mar 18, 2020 16:56:52   #
Tug484
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
True. They already work like there is just a few up there as it is.


I heard they only put in 4 hours a day, 4 days a week most of the time.
Our founders worked I think 3 or 4 months, then went back home and worked their regular jobs.
This crooked bunch figured out a way to stay forever and get rich.

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Mar 18, 2020 18:59:19   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I don't know. There's always the theory that China let this happen because they knew the media would use it against Trump politically and a democrat would be elected; one who has no problem with China scamming the US on trade.


I don’t know either, there were so many different stories and conspiracies out there I’m still banking on the fact that China screwed up early on on not addressing it and telling everyone what was really going on at that point. And the Dems ran with it to incite panic and fear to intentionally tank the economy since it was doing so well and everything else they tried didn’t work. We won’t even get into the fact that they don’t not have anyone competition wise to debate Trump let alone win the election.

You can also bet they will stall everything they can relative to these bills that have passed as we sit waiting until they now prepare what is needed to actually put it in motion and they will once again blame the Republicans for it... That is a part of the equation for election after all,.. Look at how the dumped even more money than Trump was asking for just so they could include all those sneaky little pork belly BS they tried to get through....

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Mar 18, 2020 19:48:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
I don’t know either, there were so many different stories and conspiracies out there I’m still banking on the fact that China screwed up early on on not addressing it and telling everyone what was really going on at that point. And the Dems ran with it to incite panic and fear to intentionally tank the economy since it was doing so well and everything else they tried didn’t work. We won’t even get into the fact that they don’t not have anyone competition wise to debate Trump let alone win the election.

You can also bet they will stall everything they can relative to these bills that have passed as we sit waiting until they now prepare what is needed to actually put it in motion and they will once again blame the Republicans for it... That is a part of the equation for election after all,.. Look at how the dumped even more money than Trump was asking for just so they could include all those sneaky little pork belly BS they tried to get through....
I don’t know either, there were so many different ... (show quote)


Covid was the golden opportunity for the democrats with China joining in because is blocking their efforts to screw us over. The democrats are willing to go back to status quo with China and, as yhou said, tank the economy, to get rid of Trump. It is so easy to compare to 2009 and the H1N1 virus which killed over a thousand before a National Emergency was declared and then over the next year killed another 11,500 and during all of that, zero panic, zero of anything like we have now.

I guess I am no longer friends with the guys I know who work in that field since I dared to ask why that is; why they are supporting such an over reaction. The reason, of course, they are Trump haters as well and also know that the preparedness actually fall on them. It makes them truly angry for me to have asked. Of course I asked a few different times and in different ways. LOL!

I expect the national shelter in place order to come through any day now.

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Mar 18, 2020 19:57:47   #
Tug484
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Covid was the golden opportunity for the democrats with China joining in because is blocking their efforts to screw us over. The democrats are willing to go back to status quo with China and, as yhou said, tank the economy, to get rid of Trump. It is so easy to compare to 2009 and the H1N1 virus which killed over a thousand before a National Emergency was declared and then over the next year killed another 11,500 and during all of that, zero panic, zero of anything like we have now.

I guess I am no longer friends with the guys I know who work in that field since I dared to ask why that is; why they are supporting such an over reaction. The reason, of course, they are Trump haters as well and also know that the preparedness actually fall on them. It makes them truly angry for me to have asked. Of course I asked a few different times and in different ways. LOL!

I expect the national shelter in place order to come through any day now.
Covid was the golden opportunity for the democrats... (show quote)



It makes no sense that the hate for Trump clouds the judgment of what was then and what's now.
Obama waited a long time to act and Trump got right on it.
This is the time to pull together.

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Mar 18, 2020 21:28:26   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
lindajoy wrote:
I don’t know either, there were so many different stories and conspiracies out there I’m still banking on the fact that China screwed up early on on not addressing it and telling everyone what was really going on at that point. And the Dems ran with it to incite panic and fear to intentionally tank the economy since it was doing so well and everything else they tried didn’t work. We won’t even get into the fact that they don’t not have anyone competition wise to debate Trump let alone win the election.

You can also bet they will stall everything they can relative to these bills that have passed as we sit waiting until they now prepare what is needed to actually put it in motion and they will once again blame the Republicans for it... That is a part of the equation for election after all,.. Look at how the dumped even more money than Trump was asking for just so they could include all those sneaky little pork belly BS they tried to get through....
I don’t know either, there were so many different ... (show quote)


I received this from a friend.

We don’t entirely agree on how to deal with Wuhan…. I find the following email plausible.


It has to do with RNA sequencing... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually, these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu).

But once, one of the animal viruses mutate, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity... the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmitted from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human. Once that happens... we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be. H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way, the way, that it causes great damage to human lungs.

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will), who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.

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Mar 18, 2020 22:45:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I received this from a friend.

We don’t entirely agree on how to deal with Wuhan…. I find the following email plausible.


It has to do with RNA sequencing... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually, these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu).

But once, one of the animal viruses mutate, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity... the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmitted from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human. Once that happens... we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be. H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way, the way, that it causes great damage to human lungs.

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will), who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.
I received this from a friend. br br We don’t ent... (show quote)


Good post

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Mar 18, 2020 22:53:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tug484 wrote:
It makes no sense that the hate for Trump clouds the judgment of what was then and what's now.
Obama waited a long time to act and Trump got right on it.
This is the time to pull together.


I agree but don't underestimate the power of Trump hate. Never seen anything like it.

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Mar 18, 2020 22:56:25   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I received this from a friend.

We don’t entirely agree on how to deal with Wuhan…. I find the following email plausible.


It has to do with RNA sequencing... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually, these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu).

But once, one of the animal viruses mutate, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity... the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmitted from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human. Once that happens... we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be. H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way, the way, that it causes great damage to human lungs.

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will), who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.
I received this from a friend. br br We don’t ent... (show quote)


The fast mutating trait is in our favor. It will mutate again soon and be less virulent and possibly harmless. If true, that is how it fades.

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