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Feb 29, 2020 10:56:20   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I read that the average high school senior today graduates with what would have been considered a rather mediocre 7th grade education in the early seventies when I graduated. Ask a 12th grader today to spell common words without spell check. Hand them a pencil and paper and ask them to extract a simple square root, or convert a decimal to a fraction. Wait for that deer in the headlights look.
These are things that I literally learned in 7th and 8th grade. I was not in some sort of advanced class, either. I was a better than average student, but no brainiac.
This has been going on since Jimmuh Cahtuh foisted the Department of Ejamakashun on us. Our educational system used to be the envy of the world. Now it's the laughingstock. This happened long before Trump; and if you think that throwing money at the problem will fix it look at California or New Jersey.
I read that the average high school senior today g... (show quote)


Nailed it!!!

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Feb 29, 2020 11:15:16   #
waltmoreno
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Funny, it has always appeared to me that the education level of conservatives and Trump supporters is much higher than that of the Trump haters, not only on OPP, but also on media programs and other platforms that we are commonly subjected to. To say otherwise flies in the face of pure facts. To make statements like you do and follow Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler and dozens of other leftists presents some good opportunities to shake one's head and smile, not only at the hypocrisy of the left, but also at their pure naivety. I keep waiting for logical common sense from the left but none seems to be forthcoming. Now they are blaming Trump for causing the coronavirus. Sad indeed.
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I wholly concur. I also notice that many of the uneducated, mindless lib trolls are the most vociferous in the population, while right-thinking conservatives just go on about their business and rarely bother to even make their conservative views known.
Along these same lines, I've observed that it's the liberal, left wing nut jobs who like to debate and argue politics whereas conservatives don't.
My own empirical evidence for this are facebook acquaintances who constantly show their ignorance about anything political by forever posting asinine stuff which only tells me that they're beyond hope. So I don't even bother wasting my time pointing out their flawed thinking. I just consider the source and ignore them. I guess they think that the quantity of idiotic postings will somehow mask the quality of their thinking. Sad.

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Mar 1, 2020 07:53:52   #
JIM BETHEA
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Everything I've read, with the exception of that from the leftwing "journalists" and Dem candidates, seems to affirm Trump's efforts. I'm talking about the people who actually are in a position to know about these things with no axe to grind.



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Mar 1, 2020 13:26:19   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Everything I've read, with the exception of that from the leftwing "journalists" and Dem candidates, seems to affirm Trump's efforts. I'm talking about the people who actually are in a position to know about these things with no axe to grind.


sorry for being so long to reply... darn kids..


the action of trump for his removal of funds and personnel, resulting in the lack of preparation for this coronavirus seem very well justified..

he has and will always failed the leadership requirements..done and done..



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Mar 1, 2020 13:30:51   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I read that the average high school senior today graduates with what would have been considered a rather mediocre 7th grade education in the early seventies when I graduated. Ask a 12th grader today to spell common words without spell check. Hand them a pencil and paper and ask them to extract a simple square root, or convert a decimal to a fraction. Wait for that deer in the headlights look.
These are things that I literally learned in 7th and 8th grade. I was not in some sort of advanced class, either. I was a better than average student, but no brainiac.
This has been going on since Jimmuh Cahtuh foisted the Department of Ejamakashun on us. Our educational system used to be the envy of the world. Now it's the laughingstock. This happened long before Trump; and if you think that throwing money at the problem will fix it look at California or New Jersey.
I read that the average high school senior today g... (show quote)



The first part of your reply has some merit..

But this post is not about the system, it is about removing funding for a small group of schools found in rural areas.. even the most rabid supporter of orange sound bites should find this action to be beyond any rational concern for those who voted for the orange blob..

so now you want to withhold money for all education programs???



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Mar 1, 2020 13:47:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Newsflash... Congress did not approve Trump's requested budget cuts, so your claim is a lie. The cuts come from on-going programs dating back to your boy Obama.




Read the post once more.. the program has been running from 2002... President Obama did not make any cuts... Bush signed it.. only trump and his boot lickers have tried to remove it..

Post the vote results for the congress rejection of trumps attempt...

The date of the article is feb 28, 2020...

so please, post the voting results which make the story a lie...

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/trump-administration-would-cut-education-budget-again/584599/


EDUCATION
The Trump Administration Really Wants to Cut Education Funding. Congress Doesn’t.
For the third year in a row, lawmakers are expected to disregard the administration’s proposed budget.

ADAM HARRIS
MARCH 11, 2019

Seems trump cult is still working to end education for the unwashed... even over congress rejection..

A duo of anti-Americans..
A duo of anti-Americans.....

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Mar 1, 2020 13:52:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
waltmoreno wrote:
I wholly concur. I also notice that many of the uneducated, mindless lib trolls are the most vociferous in the population, while right-thinking conservatives just go on about their business and rarely bother to even make their conservative views known.
Along these same lines, I've observed that it's the liberal, left wing nut jobs who like to debate and argue politics whereas conservatives don't.
My own empirical evidence for this are facebook acquaintances who constantly show their ignorance about anything political by forever posting asinine stuff which only tells me that they're beyond hope. So I don't even bother wasting my time pointing out their flawed thinking. I just consider the source and ignore them. I guess they think that the quantity of idiotic postings will somehow mask the quality of their thinking. Sad.
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LOL, Wow, now that should win you the wild and crazy post of the day award..



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Mar 1, 2020 18:03:29   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
permafrost wrote:
Read the post once more.. the program has been running from 2002... President Obama did not make any cuts... Bush signed it.. only trump and his boot lickers have tried to remove it.. [INCRRECT, perm]

Post the vote results for the congress rejection of trumps attempt...

The date of the article is feb 28, 2020...

so please, post the voting results which make the story a lie...

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/trump-administration-would-cut-education-budget-again/584599/


EDUCATION
The Trump Administration Really Wants to Cut Education Funding. Congress Doesn’t.
For the third year in a row, lawmakers are expected to disregard the administration’s proposed budget.

ADAM HARRIS
MARCH 11, 2019

Seems trump cult is still working to end education for the unwashed... even over congress rejection..
Read the post once more.. the program has been run... (show quote)


Perhaps this helps shed some light on who cut what and when~~ This article is from the Center of Budget and Prioirty dept and not a media biased finding ~~Done Nov 2017, note where it says: States cut~~note the graph 2008 forward to 2015...
Trump cut nothing other than making proposals Congress did not approve..

Public investment in K-12 schools — crucial for communities to thrive and the U.S. economy to offer broad opportunity — has declined dramatically in a number of states over the last decade. Worse, some of the deepest-cutting states have also cut income tax rates, weakening their main revenue source for supporting schools.

Most states cut school funding after the recession hit, and it took years for states to restore their funding to pre-recession levels. In 2015, the latest year for which comprehensive spending data are available from the U.S. Census Bureau, 29 states were still providing less total school funding per student than they were in 2008.

In most states, school funding has gradually improved since 2015, but some states that cut very deeply after the recession hit are still providing much less support. As of the current 2017-18 school year, at least 12 states have cut “general” or “formula” funding — the primary form of state support for elementary and secondary schools — by 7 percent or more per student over the last decade, according to a survey we conducted using state budget documents. (See Appendix.) Seven of those 12 — Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Oklahoma — enacted income tax rate cuts costing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars each year rather than restore education funding. One of these — Kansas — repealed some of the tax cuts earlier this year and increased school funding, but not enough to restore previous funding levels or satisfy the state’s Supreme Court, which recently ruled that the funding is unconstitutionally inadequate...<snip> more to read~

https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/a-punishing-decade-for-school-funding





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Mar 1, 2020 18:11:20   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Additionally this explains even more ~~from same article~~

Why Have States Cut Funding So Deeply?

States’ large K-12 cuts reflect a combination of outside factors, such as weak revenues and rising education costs, and state policy choices, such as relying on spending cuts to close budget shortfalls and enacting recent tax cuts.

States relied heavily on spending cuts after the recession hit. States disproportionately relied on spending cuts to close their large budget shortfalls after the recession hit, rather than a more balanced mix of spending cuts and revenue increases. Between fiscal years 2008 and 2012, states closed 45 percent of their budget gaps through spending cuts and only 16 percent through taxes and fees. (They closed the rest with federal aid, reserves, and various other measures.)[10]
State revenues have been hurt this year and last by a variety of factors, including falling oil prices, delayed sales of capital, and sluggish sales tax growth. Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia, for example, have been hurt by declines in prices for oil and other natural resources. In addition, some states have seen weaker-than-projected growth in income tax revenue as investors held off on selling capital in anticipation of a federal capital gains tax cut. And sales tax growth has been slow, as well, as consumers have remained cautious long after the end of the Great Recession and untaxed Internet sales have continued to grow.[11]
Some states cut taxes deeply. Not only did many states avoid raising new revenue after the recession hit, but some enacted large tax cuts, further reducing revenues. Seven of the 12 states with the biggest cuts in general school funding since 2008 ― Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Oklahoma ― have also cut income tax rates in recent years.[12] (See Figure 6.)
Costs are rising. Costs of state-funded services have risen since the recession due to inflation, demographic changes, and rising needs. For example, there are about 1.4 million more K-12 students and 1.3 million more public college and university students now than in 2008, the U.S. Department of Education estimates.[13]
Federal funding for most forms of state and local aid has fallen. Federal policymakers have cut ongoing federal funding for states and localities — outside of Medicaid — in recent years, thereby worsening state fiscal conditions. The part of the federal budget that includes most forms of funding for states and localities outside of Medicaid, known as non-defense “discretionary” funding (that is, funding that is annually appropriated by Congress), is near record lows as a share of the economy.[14] Federal spending for Title I — the major federal assistance program for high-poverty schools — is down 6.2 percent since 2008, after adjusting for inflation.[15]
FIGURE 5
Seven of the Deepest-Cutting States in the Last Decade Also Cut General Funding Per Student inflation trends...

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Mar 1, 2020 19:03:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
lindajoy wrote:
Perhaps this helps shed some light on who cut what and when~~ This article is from the Center of Budget and Prioirty dept and not a media biased finding ~~Done Nov 2017, note where it says: States cut~~note the graph 2008 forward to 2015...
Trump cut nothing other than making proposals Congress did not approve..

Public investment in K-12 schools — crucial for communities to thrive and the U.S. economy to offer broad opportunity — has declined dramatically in a number of states over the last decade. Worse, some of the deepest-cutting states have also cut income tax rates, weakening their main revenue source for supporting schools.

Most states cut school funding after the recession hit, and it took years for states to restore their funding to pre-recession levels. In 2015, the latest year for which comprehensive spending data are available from the U.S. Census Bureau, 29 states were still providing less total school funding per student than they were in 2008.

In most states, school funding has gradually improved since 2015, but some states that cut very deeply after the recession hit are still providing much less support. As of the current 2017-18 school year, at least 12 states have cut “general” or “formula” funding — the primary form of state support for elementary and secondary schools — by 7 percent or more per student over the last decade, according to a survey we conducted using state budget documents. (See Appendix.) Seven of those 12 — Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Oklahoma — enacted income tax rate cuts costing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars each year rather than restore education funding. One of these — Kansas — repealed some of the tax cuts earlier this year and increased school funding, but not enough to restore previous funding levels or satisfy the state’s Supreme Court, which recently ruled that the funding is unconstitutionally inadequate...<snip> more to read~

https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/a-punishing-decade-for-school-funding
Perhaps this helps shed some light on who cut what... (show quote)



Good information, good article..

This addresses state funding affected by the recession. recovery for some hard hit states can be a hard road.
How the do it is variable.. in the long run every state need a strong educational system to keep up with the world..

I stand with my post which commented on federal funding for a narrow focus of schools in the world of today..

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Mar 1, 2020 19:11:13   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
lindajoy wrote:
Additionally this explains even more ~~from same article~~

Why Have States Cut Funding So Deeply?

States’ large K-12 cuts reflect a combination of outside factors, such as weak revenues and rising education costs, and state policy choices, such as relying on spending cuts to close budget shortfalls and enacting recent tax cuts.

States relied heavily on spending cuts after the recession hit. States disproportionately relied on spending cuts to close their large budget shortfalls after the recession hit, rather than a more balanced mix of spending cuts and revenue increases. Between fiscal years 2008 and 2012, states closed 45 percent of their budget gaps through spending cuts and only 16 percent through taxes and fees. (They closed the rest with federal aid, reserves, and various other measures.)[10]
State revenues have been hurt this year and last by a variety of factors, including falling oil prices, delayed sales of capital, and sluggish sales tax growth. Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia, for example, have been hurt by declines in prices for oil and other natural resources. In addition, some states have seen weaker-than-projected growth in income tax revenue as investors held off on selling capital in anticipation of a federal capital gains tax cut. And sales tax growth has been slow, as well, as consumers have remained cautious long after the end of the Great Recession and untaxed Internet sales have continued to grow.[11]
Some states cut taxes deeply. Not only did many states avoid raising new revenue after the recession hit, but some enacted large tax cuts, further reducing revenues. Seven of the 12 states with the biggest cuts in general school funding since 2008 ― Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Oklahoma ― have also cut income tax rates in recent years.[12] (See Figure 6.)
Costs are rising. Costs of state-funded services have risen since the recession due to inflation, demographic changes, and rising needs. For example, there are about 1.4 million more K-12 students and 1.3 million more public college and university students now than in 2008, the U.S. Department of Education estimates.[13]
Federal funding for most forms of state and local aid has fallen. Federal policymakers have cut ongoing federal funding for states and localities — outside of Medicaid — in recent years, thereby worsening state fiscal conditions. The part of the federal budget that includes most forms of funding for states and localities outside of Medicaid, known as non-defense “discretionary” funding (that is, funding that is annually appropriated by Congress), is near record lows as a share of the economy.[14] Federal spending for Title I — the major federal assistance program for high-poverty schools — is down 6.2 percent since 2008, after adjusting for inflation.[15]
FIGURE 5
Seven of the Deepest-Cutting States in the Last Decade Also Cut General Funding Per Student inflation trends...
Additionally this explains even more ~~from same a... (show quote)



Again, a good article.. recessions are never easy. rebuilding is never easy..

clearly, some states are working on recovery to this day..

good policy is very important for the long term success..



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