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Feb 19, 2020 16:52:41   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
American Vet wrote:
"Yes, I have read those verses before, and still maintain that he did not work at a job"

Apparently you care enough to make a comment about it. It appears you didn't think it thru - but you made the comment.


I was responding to a comment directed to my attention.

One can postulate that Jesus had an occupation prior to his ministry, that he worked for his father or he may have spent his time studying and preparing for his mission. And he may have spent his time with his cousin and his ministry. But, that would be only an opinion, which is not provable as there are no evidence or writing that could support the speculation. Further, there are no artifacts that would support the postulation.

Do you think what he may have earned a living doing more important than what he taught in the 3 years leading to his death?

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Feb 19, 2020 17:15:20   #
American Vet
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I was responding to a comment directed to my attention.

One can postulate that Jesus had an occupation prior to his ministry, that he worked for his father or he may have spent his time studying and preparing for his mission. And he may have spent his time with his cousin and his ministry. But, that would be only an opinion, which is not provable as there are no evidence or writing that could support the speculation. Further, there are no artifacts that would support the postulation.

Do you think what he may have earned a living doing more important than what he taught in the 3 years leading to his death?
I was responding to a comment directed to my atten... (show quote)


I think that he demonstrated that He could work, and that He learned much (as just about anyone who works does), and - most importantly - He demonstrated that He knew and understood what the people's lives were like. One might make the argument that 'working' set the stage for His ministry..and added credence to it.

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Feb 19, 2020 19:12:24   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
American Vet wrote:
There's a difference between helping those in need and enabling others to continue a lifestyle dependent on others...


That is a valid argument. It is done I am sure. It is easy to place all in need in that category. I am sure of that also. Kids are the innocents in this case--can anybody argue with that?

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Feb 19, 2020 19:13:44   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
American Vet wrote:
And what do you mean by "need help"? I agree, some are transient issues: Most are not.

The drug/alcohol addicted person needs help - and what do you do when they refuse (as many, if not most) do?

And what about the ones who just refuse to do anything and live on the system?


They have backhoes for that.---

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Feb 19, 2020 19:39:22   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
That is a valid argument. It is done I am sure. It is easy to place all in need in that category. I am sure of that also. Kids are the innocents in this case--can anybody argue with that?

Tom. I pay Federal tax’s. Only about 47% of Americans pay them. Some of that money goes to help feed kids. Now that’s not all I personally do. But over half the country doesn’t pitch in when Federal dollars are used. Is that fair?

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Feb 19, 2020 19:41:05   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You didn't clarify what you meant by your " cork soaker " remark.

And I still don't feel responsible for feeding the kids of irresponsible parents.

I pay my taxes and that's all I'm obligated to do.

Any one who asks me for sustenance of any kind will surely receive what I can give.

But I don't feel obligated to go out and look for the hungry children of irresponsible parents.


Soaker of corks--cork soaking--A mean person, Sorry -I was harsh for that but Poor gobblety goop goo goo goober was a little hard to take. You pay your taxes like everybody else . The gubbermint doles it out and some goes to feed kids. You don't have to look for hungry children of irresponsible parents--These kids are in your town. Your tax dollars feed them if they are on food stamps or free school lunch.

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Feb 19, 2020 19:46:55   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JFlorio wrote:
Tom. I pay Federal tax’s. Only about 47% of Americans pay them. Some of that money goes to help feed kids. Now that’s not all I personally do. But over half the country doesn’t pitch in when Federal dollars are used. Is that fair?


I pay taxes also. I am used to paying taxes. I get services such as national defense- Veterans healthcare and social security in return. To me I do not mind that some of what I pay to feed poor children come from the taxes that I pay in. Perhaps just going to a national sales tax would ensure that every citizen had skin in the game.------

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Feb 19, 2020 19:48:05   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I pay taxes also. I am used to paying taxes. I get services such as national defense- Veterans healthcare and social security in return. To me I do not mind that some of what I pay to feed poor children come from the taxes that I pay in. Perhaps just going to a national sales tax would ensure that every citizen had skin in the game.------

Flat, fair tax.

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Feb 19, 2020 19:50:23   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JFlorio wrote:
Flat, fair tax.



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Feb 19, 2020 21:02:37   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I pay taxes also. I am used to paying taxes. I get services such as national defense- Veterans healthcare and social security in return. To me I do not mind that some of what I pay to feed poor children come from the taxes that I pay in. Perhaps just going to a national sales tax would ensure that every citizen had skin in the game.------


I was specifically talking about Federal Taxes. I imagine, since I believe you are self-employed you do pay Federal taxes. Those who pay no taxes or get back most or more than they pay in haven’t a clue.

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Feb 19, 2020 21:22:35   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
no propaganda please wrote:
No, I would not send my children to bed hungry but, unfortunately, a lot of welfare mothers use their money to buy drugs not to feed their children. Others buy McDonalds meals for their children because they are too lazy or stoned to buy whole chickens and rice and beans, which they have to cook before feeding their children. Our church has a weekly pot luck dinner where we all bring food ready to eat and everyone, even those we don't yet know, is welcome to come and eat. We even deliver food to several families who have no way to get there. Unfortunately many of these people refuse to cook the food we donate. These people have money for booze and drugs, but not to feed their children. What keeps going through my mine is that ALL those women should be spayed, and as quickly as possible.
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No, I would not send my children to bed hungry but... (show quote)


I find your post disturbing. You are a church lady doing the Lords work. God loves a cheerful giver. The kids you feed probably think you are real nice. You have a cynical attitude toward the people you are supposed to be helping. That cannot be doing you any good. Perhaps you should stop volunteering for a while as you do. Why ? Because not every person coming to you is a lazy drug addict slut who should be spayed but you think they ALL are and that is not true if you think about it.

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Feb 19, 2020 21:51:45   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I find your post disturbing. You are a church lady doing the Lords work. God loves a cheerful giver. The kids you feed probably think you are real nice. You have a cynical attitude toward the people you are supposed to be helping. That cannot be doing you any good. Perhaps you should stop volunteering for a while as you do. Why ? Because not every person coming to you is a lazy drug addict slut who should be spayed but you think they ALL are and that is not true if you think about it.


NPP and I work helping abused boys, many of whom have been rented out by their drug addicted mothers so that homosexual men can have sex with them. We work hard getting these boys away from their dams (they are not mothers, they are only the dam of the boy, like a mare is the dam of her foals, although the mare takes better care of the foal than the mother of these boys take care of their offspring. Poor, down on their luck mothers and their children are another story and many such families have stayed with us in our double wide, or lived in the single wide we have just for such desperate people. The only thing we will do for drug addicted mothers is drive them to the drug clinic run by a number of church groups, and make sure that their children have a safe place to stay and good food to eat while their mothers go through addiction treatment, we will not house the drug addict, have done that a couple of times and the destruction to our property amounted to thousands of dollars. Personally, after three or four times through the addiction treatment, if the woman can't clean up her act, we work with authorities to find a good safe foster family to take care of the young man rather than force him back inti the pits of hell. Sorry that you think that is a hateful response, but years of experience have taught us that the other method doesn't work.

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Feb 19, 2020 22:02:25   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I find your post disturbing. You are a church lady doing the Lords work. God loves a cheerful giver. The kids you feed probably think you are real nice. You have a cynical attitude toward the people you are supposed to be helping. That cannot be doing you any good. Perhaps you should stop volunteering for a while as you do. Why ? Because not every person coming to you is a lazy drug addict slut who should be spayed but you think they ALL are and that is not true if you think about it.


You missed the qualifiers in her post. At no point did she say "all" are "lazy drug addict slut who should be spayed". I agree with NPP, I have seen more than I would care to see; women and men, stoned, dragging a litter of children into a fast food and paying with EBT cards. Those places are alright once in a blue moon, but as a regular diet is unhealthy. They are as unhealthy as obama mandated school lunches that children refuse to eat and throw away.

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Feb 20, 2020 00:13:25   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You missed the qualifiers in her post. At no point did she say "all" are "lazy drug addict slut who should be spayed". I agree with NPP, I have seen more than I would care to see; women and men, stoned, dragging a litter of children into a fast food and paying with EBT cards. Those places are alright once in a blue moon, but as a regular diet is unhealthy. They are as unhealthy as obama mandated school lunches that children refuse to eat and throw away.


I must be living a sheltered life. My kids too. They never have had to eat the school lunch.

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Feb 20, 2020 07:32:52   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
American Vet wrote:
I wouldn't steal money from others.


The question was not about money. It's about taking the food from a child

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