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Feb 13, 2020 02:36:54   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
My cousin refuses to strike... Not my friend... Although he doesn't like it...

My cousin owns two apartment buildings, a private kindergarten in Japan, and numerous rental properties throughout my hometown...

He teaches because he is a teacher... He loves children... Not for the money...

His argument is that the strikes aren't solving any of these actual issues, like class size, special needs, and immigrant integration, that the educational system is facing.... Asking for more money and fewer hours will not improve the education children are receiving...
My cousin refuses to strike... Not my friend... Al... (show quote)


I wonder how "father of poop" would feel about the police striking in St Louis? Police often belong to collective bargaining unions in many cities.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:38:15   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Teachers in the US make minimum wage?

They should all strike


Yeah.... if what teachers make is minimum wage, there are millions whose employers are not in compliance

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Feb 13, 2020 02:39:36   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Chuckle...

Don't let the troll get to you Tucker...

Insults are all he has...

What's wrong with being an armpit?


I was trying to be generous and not tell him what it really resembles.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:54:08   #
Cacasdad
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Judging ended long ago. God won!


What F’n Bible did you read that says their will be no judgement days?

Oh yea; no dtucker300 medical and vacation are not considered salary, only the cash that ends up in your checking account is salary. Medical and vacation fall under the benefits category, hence new union contracts, at least in the USA, are reported as “salary and benefits.

This is what right to work in America has done to auto workers in the RTW states, most all in the republican dominated south, in 2020 the salary and benefits are slightly worse than the salary and benefits the, Ford Lincoln Mercury dodge Chrysler Plymouth GM Chevy Oldsmobile corvette, yes st Lou had em all, we’re earning in the early 1980’s.

Call me a liar if you wish, just have the facts to back up you assertion. You can find that I know what I’m talking about with a simple google search of both the post dispatch, and I believe the globe democrat was still around, archives.
No I don’t have to prove it, you have to prove I’m a liar if you’re going to call me on!!

Much like George Patton I am
on very good terms with the Living God, as evidenced by the 1406sf house on a 34,000sf lot that I bought for $1;)
I was faithful to him when he asked me to walk away from $200k in my divorce, and today I have a mortgage free home.

If judging has ended that means I can be as horrible a person as I want, and I still get a goojfc, you really are the stupid of no critical thinking skills.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:57:44   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Cacasdad wrote:
I am amazed how little your teachers edumacation didn’t increase your cognitive critical thinking skills!
It’s really quite simple, here in the states the Republican Party does everything it can to hold down salaries in general for everyone below the top 10%.

They fight any minimum wage increase, which of course is what most of the people you/we come in contact with are paid. I don’t know about Canada, but their is no place a person working full time can live alone on our minimum wage. If they did away with it, those companies that pay the minimum would lower their starting wage. They already don’t give more than 1-2- tops 3% increases.
3% is a whopping $30 per &1k Of earnings. So a person making $30k a year gets a whopping $900 raise for the year. That’s not even $20 a week.
I am amazed how little your teachers edumacation d... (show quote)


Republicans and Democrats don't set teachers' wages. Most districts bargain with their local school board made up of non-partisan trustees. Where are your critical thinking skills? So far, all I've seen you do is express your vitriolic opprobrious obstinate intolerance for anyone who disagrees with your fallacious pronouncements.

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Feb 13, 2020 03:02:37   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Cacasdad wrote:
What F’n Bible did you read that says their will be no judgement days?

Oh yea; no dtucker300 medical and vacation are not considered salary, only the cash that ends up in your checking account is salary. Medical and vacation fall under the benefits category, hence new union contracts, at least in the USA, are reported as “salary and benefits.

This is what right to work in America has done to auto workers in the RTW states, most all in the republican dominated south, in 2020 the salary and benefits are slightly worse than the salary and benefits the, Ford Lincoln Mercury dodge Chrysler Plymouth GM Chevy Oldsmobile corvette, yes st Lou had em all, we’re earning in the early 1980’s.

Call me a liar if you wish, just have the facts to back up you assertion. You can find that I know what I’m talking about with a simple google search of both the post dispatch, and I believe the globe democrat was still around, archives.
No I don’t have to prove it, you have to prove I’m a liar if you’re going to call me on!!

Much like George Patton I am
on very good terms with the Living God, as evidenced by the 1406sf house on a 34,000sf lot that I bought for $1;)
I was faithful to him when he asked me to walk away from $200k in my divorce, and today I have a mortgage free home.

If judging has ended that means I can be as horrible a person as I want, and I still get a goojfc, you really are the stupid of no critical thinking skills.
What F’n Bible did you read that says their will b... (show quote)


"The Right Minimum Wage: $0.00."

That was the headline of an editorial in one of America's most prestigious newspapers. Can you guess which one? The Wall Street Journal, perhaps? Right city; wrong paper. This editorial appeared in the New York Times in 1987. "There's a virtual consensus among economists," the Times wrote, "that the minimum wage is an idea whose time has passed." So, economists and the liberal paper were on the same page (pun intended).

Why?

Because they understood that a minimum wage does not guarantee jobs. It guarantees only that those who get jobs will be paid at least that minimum. And that leads to two bad outcomes: unemployment and higher prices.I can best explain this by asking a simple question: What is a wage? A wage is the price of labor. Now, what happens if the price of labor rises, not because workers have become more productive, not because a business must pay higher wages to hold on to valuable employees, but only because the government requires it?

When the minimum wage rises, employers will adjust. They will use less labor. They'll fire current employees or cut back on their hours. They will also raise prices for their goods or services. These are undesirable consequences. But let's also consider another bad effect Businesses will hire fewer workers, especially those with little or no job experience.

Suppose you're young and haven't worked many jobs before. Maybe you've never had a job and are trying to land your first one. The work you can offer an employer may be worth only, say, $7 an hour. You agree. He agrees. And you have your first job.

But what if the minimum wage set by the government is higher than $7? What if it's $10 or more? Well, you won't get the job. You may be willing to work for $7 an hour, but under minimum wage laws, it would be illegal for you to do so. This very point was made by Paul Samuelson, one of the leading economists of the twentieth century, and a prominent liberal. I paraphrase from his classic textbook Economics: "What good does it do a black youth to know that an employer must pay him a minimum wage if the fact that he must be paid that wage keeps him from getting a job?"

And, that young person loses more than a paycheck. He also loses valuable work experience: learning to accept responsibility, dealing with a boss, getting along with co-workers -- all the things that demonstrate to an employer that he made the right choice in hiring; and all the things that will help that young person get a better paying job down the road.

A recent study found that in some cities the unemployment rate for teens without a high school diploma approached 50%. Pricing these teens out of the labor market does them no favors. It's not doing the rest of society any favors, either. Teenagers who can't find jobs often find trouble.Advocates of a higher minimum wage argue that, while some young people might be priced out of the job market, this is outweighed by the fact that those who have minimum wage jobs will get a wage increase. But that doesn't mean they'd be better off.

It's true that the government can force business owners to pay its minimum wage workers more per hour, but it can't force these business owners to pay them more per week. According to the Los Angeles Times, after Connecticut raised its minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, a 20 year old woman who worked at a donut shop in Hartford was soon disappointed when her hours were cut from 35 per week to 27.

Employers will look for other ways to cut costs. The Economic Policy Institute, a union-funded organization that pushes for higher minimum wages, admits this. "Employers," they write on their website, "may be able to absorb some of the costs of a wage increase through higher productivity, lower recruiting and training costs, decreased absenteeism, and increased worker morale." How would an employer get higher productivity? By working the employees harder. How would an employer cut training costs? By training them less.

So, let's summarize. Raising the minimum wage makes it harder for young and inexperienced workers to get jobs, to get on that crucial first rung of the employment ladder. And many of those who do benefit from a wage increase will likely find those benefits undone. They will work fewer hours, will work harder per hour, and will get less training

Sounds like the New York Times had it right back in 1987.

I'm David Henderson, the editor of The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, for Prager University.


You wouldn't know your ASSertion from a hole in the ground.

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Feb 13, 2020 03:05:42   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Cacasdad wrote:
It is not the responsibility to finance the education in your schools! They don’t set class sizes! Everything in that paragraph is the responsibility of the school board.
Unions want more classes, meaning smaller numbers of students because it means more teachers will be employed.

It is absofuckinglutely not a challenge at all to point out the stupid in your posts.
If, as I was told tonight, you’re just doing your level best to trigger me, well then what a sad little life you must have to seek entertainment by being a fucking moron! But then again you are a trumper!
It is not the responsibility to finance the educat... (show quote)


You are begging to be suspended from this site and too ignorant to realize it. Permanently, I hope.

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Feb 13, 2020 03:14:33   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Cacasdad wrote:
What F’n Bible did you read that says their will be no judgement days?

Oh yea; no dtucker300 medical and vacation are not considered salary, only the cash that ends up in your checking account is salary. Medical and vacation fall under the benefits category, hence new union contracts, at least in the USA, are reported as “salary and benefits.

This is what right to work in America has done to auto workers in the RTW states, most all in the republican dominated south, in 2020 the salary and benefits are slightly worse than the salary and benefits the, Ford Lincoln Mercury dodge Chrysler Plymouth GM Chevy Oldsmobile corvette, yes st Lou had em all, we’re earning in the early 1980’s.

Call me a liar if you wish, just have the facts to back up you assertion. You can find that I know what I’m talking about with a simple google search of both the post dispatch, and I believe the globe democrat was still around, archives.
No I don’t have to prove it, you have to prove I’m a liar if you’re going to call me on!!

Much like George Patton I am
on very good terms with the Living God, as evidenced by the 1406sf house on a 34,000sf lot that I bought for $1;)
I was faithful to him when he asked me to walk away from $200k in my divorce, and today I have a mortgage free home.

If judging has ended that means I can be as horrible a person as I want, and I still get a goojfc, you really are the stupid of no critical thinking skills.
What F’n Bible did you read that says their will b... (show quote)


You might as well get all your shots in now because I can guarantee that you have very little time left to post anything on OPP. You are soon to be kicked off of this site, permanently. Then you can move on to your next site and continue with your bullying. You are nothing but a little cyber coward who would never have the nerve to say the things you do directly to our face.

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Feb 13, 2020 03:48:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Cacasdad wrote:
It is not the responsibility Of the teachers union to finance the education in your schools! They don’t set class sizes! Everything in that paragraph is the responsibility of the school board.
Unions want more classes, meaning smaller numbers of students because it means more teachers will be employed.
You should be angry at the parents, they are the ones whose responsibility it is to ensure their children get the best edumacation they can supply!


No... Unions want smaller classes because it is next to impossible for a single teacher to properly supervise and manage over thirty students... Especially when you to a third of them have been "diagnosed" with a "learning disability" and require special considerations...

Unions use strikes to influence school boards... Obviously...

I agree that parents play a large part in the problem... To many are indifferent to the situation of teachers and the education system in general...

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It is absofuckinglutely not a challenge at all to point out the stupid in your posts.
If, as I was told tonight, you’re just doing your level best to trigger me, well then what a sad little life you must have to seek entertainment by being a fucking moron! But then again you are a trumper!


Trigger you?

Why would I bother?

And I am quite proud to be a Deplorable... I was one of the first, back in 2015...I believe it was after Trump's second rally... I heard a message I wanted to hear spoken in a way that resonated with me...

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Sounds to me like your cousin is a trust fund baby, or he’s the highest paid teacher in history to have acquired all that you listed.


No... His father and mother were both teachers... They struggled in the early years due to the depression... But saved everything they earned and worked part time jobs... My uncle tended bar six nights a week... My aunt taught piano on the side.... They held a garage sale and mortgaged their home to help put him through university.... Then he travelled to Japan (his wife was from there) and worked as a teacher... Lived with her family... Bought into a school... Then opened a kindergarten... Later he purchased the first apartment building, with help from both his and her parents... Then the second... Later some rental properties....

He was raised well.... And works hard...

There are no trust fund babies in my family... But thankfully, not too many welfare bums either...

Hard work often results in success... His parents can be proud that all five of their children have good careers, successful marriages, and no debt....

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Feb 13, 2020 06:39:34   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
No... I'm a teacher... From a family of teachers... We have people who have taught in Canada, America, Jaoan, China, and Europe, in my family...

Not stupidity... Awareness... And experience...


Nicely done my friend.

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Feb 13, 2020 06:44:07   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Nothing wrong with a car that has decent trunk space


Shhhhhh! That's where we hide the bodies.

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Feb 13, 2020 06:50:26   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Snort...

That was funny...

I'm not influencing young minds... University students... And I doubt I influence them all that much.... Certainly not as much as social media and Hollywood...

Yep... Teachers can be idiots, but idiots can't be teachers... But no worries...You can still mop the hallways and empty the trash after I finish class


Utohhhh. Jealousy again~~

You know when a person really has no true factual reply and reverts to name calling and insults its because you have left them with nothing to refute your comments.. They get angry with themself and need to take it out on you....Subconscious tell all... well done~👍😂🥰

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Feb 13, 2020 06:55:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
dtucker300 wrote:
They already have civil service protections and much more. Their salaries have not regressed when compared to inflation. Salaries are more than just their paycheck. It includes their entire benefits package which is better than most private-sector employees when you include health care and retirement.

Yes! Children deserve the best teachers we can get and Unions are counter-productive to this aim. They protect bad teachers, make it difficult to discipline or dismiss substandard teachers.

Yes, in some cases. They work 9 months out of the year. Their pay is actually much better than they would have you believe. There is inequality throughout nearly every profession depending on where you live. Early Childhood teachers make far less money. True, they don't need as much schooling. However, having gone through a School of Education I can honestly say that today's teachers are poorly equipped to do their job and many come from the bottom of the academic scale when compared to other professions. I have seen too many elementary school teachers who cannot do mathematics, write a coherent paragraph, have little or no artistic ability and/or musical ability, nor scientific knowledge. Guess which profession most hates to be evaluated through testing? That's right, teachers!

The worse teachers end up in the worst schools to the detriment of students in the poorest socioeconomic neighborhoods. They don't have support from parents of the children they teach, the administration, and the community. Yet, many private schools, academies, charter, and religious schools pay teachers less and demand more of the students achieving far superior results than many public schools. Life is not always fair and of course, there are exceptions to these generalities. Vouchers would go a long way toward creating a more equitable education system for the students most at risk due to where they can afford to live.
They already have civil service protections and mu... (show quote)


Tell it!!! 👍👍👍

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Feb 13, 2020 07:34:02   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Unions once good have no true standing anymore other than to try and buy their existence paying off the dems to keep them going..

At one point in time they were needed and brought change for employees over equal right, pay protection of firing etc.. Having achieved the proper laws to help employees they now are very limited in what they can really do. Discrimination, equal pay, etc. is now an issue of law with good law in place that protects employees..

They fight with their own members and really can’t do much since the laws are in place.~~They do iinfluence voting with strong propaganda BS trying to direct their members to vote a certain way..,~

They are still ticked about the SCOTUS ruling against them trying to fleece people out of fees even tho they weren't members~~Strong arm tactics.~~

Supreme Court says forcing public employees to pay union fees violates free speech
The decision could limit funding for influential unions of public employees.

Supreme Court says forcing public employees to pay union fees violates free speech
The high court's decision could limit funding for influential unions of public employees.
Jacquelyn Martin/AP
The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of public employees' First Amendment rights to decline to pay union dues, marking a potential blow to the funding for influential unions of public employees.

The decision marks a big moment for Justice Neil Gorsuch, who voted with the majority and broke the tie from 2016 when the court was split 4-4 in the same case after the death of Justice Antonin Scalia... <snip>

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-forcing-public-employees-pay-union-fees/story?id=56199643

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Feb 13, 2020 09:16:59   #
Cacasdad
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Republicans and Democrats don't set teachers' wages. Most districts bargain with their local school board made up of non-partisan trustees. Where are your critical thinking skills? So far, all I've seen you do is express your vitriolic opprobrious obstinate intolerance for anyone who disagrees with your fallacious pronouncements.


Excuse me stupid, but I did make the point that it’s elected members of school boards that make decisions about their schools.
I have no problem with people who disagree with me. It is through consideration of differing thoughts that s person grows personally.
You haven’t grown since you spit out the teet!

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