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Feb 13, 2020 00:40:07   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Wonder who the judges will be?


LOL

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Feb 13, 2020 00:40:52   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Nothing wrong with a car that has decent trunk space


Lolololhahahaha

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Feb 13, 2020 00:49:25   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Wonder who the judges will be?


Judging ended long ago. God won!

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Feb 13, 2020 01:10:03   #
Cacasdad
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Excellent points Tucker...

Over here Early Childhood education requires more licensing... People put a lot of pressure on preschool and kindergarten teachers...

Education is one field where unions should never be allowed... My cousin in BC fights with his union constantly... Over voting and school policies... And he refuses to strike.. Although he legally has to go along with them... Idiotic..

If the teachers in Vancouver decide they need higher salaries or more vacation time, the teachers in the kootenays are required to follow suit...

And as for protecting teachers, the unions will protect a shitty teacher who toes the line, while demonizing a decent teacher who pulls him weight... My best friend had to defend himself for telling a gay boy not to apply makeup during class time... He almost lost his job because he was "homophobic"... And he was covering three subjects in an under funded school... Couldn't believe he didn't quit... But he had just purchased a home and had a kid.. So he wound up apologizing for his bigotry

Excellent points Tucker... br br Over here Early... (show quote)


Otay Deploracus, here in the states we have what is called a guaranteed secret ballot, so unions can only suggest who you should vote for. I spent four years in a union, some voted D, some voted R, I like always voted 3rd Party.

You may be, but I’m not stupid enough to believe unions make/set school policies, dummy ass! At least I know for sure they don’t here the USA, that’s the purview of the elected school boards of the many districts we have here in st Lou!

Are you suggesting the kootenays would turn down the money and benefits the Vancouver teachers fought for if asked their choice? You really are an idiot if you are!

If your cousin/BF aren’t willing to strike then they shouldn’t get the salary and benefit increases the other union teachers fought/fight for! Does the saying “strength in numbers” have any meaning for you?

Does your BF also tell the XX’ers they too can’t apply make-up during class? If not then he was wrong!!

Unfortunately protecting the worthless teachers is necessary to be able to protect the good teachers. “Strength in numbers”

If your friend wasn’t able to successfully defend himself, it was only because he is a bigot, and has a different standard for the gay boy, than he does for the XX’er’s
I gots a feeling whomever would have accepted “I don’t let the girls apply make-up in class, so I’m not letting “mr ?” Apply make-up in class!

The only reason your friend refuses to strike is because strike pay? doesn’t come close to his regular pay!

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Feb 13, 2020 01:17:15   #
Cacasdad
 
No dtucker300 salary does not include medical, and vacation.
Salary refers to the cash that ends up in your bank account.
Medical coverage, and vacation fall under the BENEFITS category, hence the statement salary and benefits when describing compensation for a job hopefully well done.

Do you even try to be accurate with the facts when you write a post? Or is all you care about is that your post validates your personal narrative, regardless of how erroneous your posting is?

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Feb 13, 2020 01:26:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Cacasdad wrote:
Otay Deploracus, here in the states we have what is called a guaranteed secret ballot, so unions can only suggest who you should vote for. I spent four years in a union, some voted D, some voted R, I like always voted 3rd Party.


Works the same way in Canada... But there are numerous ways for unions to put pressure on teachers to vote... For example, if it's known you voted against the unions wishes, you may be passed over for promotion or raises... Or you may be refused entry into various programs...

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You may be, but I’m not stupid enough to believe unions make/set school policies, dummy ass! At least I know for sure they don’t here the USA, that’s the purview of the elected school boards of the many districts we have here in st Lou!


You don't think teacher unions have power with school boards? What are you drinking?

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Are you suggesting the kootenays would turn down the money and benefits the Vancouver teachers fought for if asked their choice? You really are an idiot if you are!


No... I'm suggesting that the teachers in the kootenays are mostly happy with their salaries and benefits and would rather focus on the education of their students... Not everyone is a greedy leech... Some people go into education to make a difference...

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If your cousin/BF aren’t willing to strike then they shouldn’t get the salary and benefit increases the other union teachers fought/fight for! Does the saying “strength in numbers” have any meaning for you?


Which isn't how it works... Do you not understand what a union is?

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Does your BF also tell the XX’ers they too can’t apply make-up during class? If not then he was wrong!!


School policy prohibits students from applying makeup during class time... He was following school policy... Which didn't stop the student from filing a complaint... And because it was discrimination based my friend had to go before the school board to explain his actions...

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Unfortunately protecting the worthless teachers is necessary to be able to protect the good teachers. “Strength in numbers”


What are they good teachers being protected from?..

But yes, strength in numbers is the issue...

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If your friend wasn’t able to successfully defend himself, it was only because he is a bigot, and has a different standard for the gay boy, than he does for the XX’er’s
I gots a feeling whomever would have accepted “I don’t let the girls apply make-up in class, so I’m not letting “mr ?” Apply make-up in class!


Chuckle... My friend experimented with boys in university... Found out he was straight... But took him a while... He is about the farthest thing from a bigot I can imagine...

Are you not understanding that it's having different standards for certain groups that is fueling this problem?

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The only reason your friend refuses to strike is because strike pay? doesn’t come close to his regular pay!


My cousin refuses to strike... Not my friend... Although he doesn't like it...

My cousin owns two apartment buildings, a private kindergarten in Japan, and numerous rental properties throughout my hometown...

He teaches because he is a teacher... He loves children... Not for the money...

His argument is that the strikes aren't solving any of these actual issues, like class size, special needs, and immigrant integration, that the educational system is facing.... Asking for more money and fewer hours will not improve the education children are receiving...

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Feb 13, 2020 02:04:19   #
debeda
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Judging ended long ago. God won!



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Feb 13, 2020 02:05:35   #
debeda
 
Cacasdad wrote:
Otay Deploracus, here in the states we have what is called a guaranteed secret ballot, so unions can only suggest who you should vote for. I spent four years in a union, some voted D, some voted R, I like always voted 3rd Party.

You may be, but I’m not stupid enough to believe unions make/set school policies, dummy ass! At least I know for sure they don’t here the USA, that’s the purview of the elected school boards of the many districts we have here in st Lou!

Are you suggesting the kootenays would turn down the money and benefits the Vancouver teachers fought for if asked their choice? You really are an idiot if you are!

If your cousin/BF aren’t willing to strike then they shouldn’t get the salary and benefit increases the other union teachers fought/fight for! Does the saying “strength in numbers” have any meaning for you?

Does your BF also tell the XX’ers they too can’t apply make-up during class? If not then he was wrong!!

Unfortunately protecting the worthless teachers is necessary to be able to protect the good teachers. “Strength in numbers”

If your friend wasn’t able to successfully defend himself, it was only because he is a bigot, and has a different standard for the gay boy, than he does for the XX’er’s
I gots a feeling whomever would have accepted “I don’t let the girls apply make-up in class, so I’m not letting “mr ?” Apply make-up in class!

The only reason your friend refuses to strike is because strike pay? doesn’t come close to his regular pay!
Otay Deploracus, here in the states we have what i... (show quote)


The unions do set benefits. Most school districts are broke because of the far too generous pension plans.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:10:16   #
debeda
 
Cacasdad wrote:
No dtucker300 salary does not include medical, and vacation.
Salary refers to the cash that ends up in your bank account.
Medical coverage, and vacation fall under the BENEFITS category, hence the statement salary and benefits when describing compensation for a job hopefully well done.

Do you even try to be accurate with the facts when you write a post? Or is all you care about is that your post validates your personal narrative, regardless of how erroneous your posting is?


You're sadly mistaken. Take home pay is what ends up in your bank account. Salary is your gross, then there are the costs of employer taxes (employer portion of FICA), unemployment insurance, health insurance, workers comp insurance, paid vacation and sick time and various other things depending on the state. That is the employer's cost per employee. It is far more than ends up in your bank account.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:11:21   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
My cousin refuses to strike... Not my friend... Although he doesn't like it...

My cousin owns two apartment buildings, a private kindergarten in Japan, and numerous rental properties throughout my hometown...

He teaches because he is a teacher... He loves children... Not for the money...

His argument is that the strikes aren't solving any of these actual issues, like class size, special needs, and immigrant integration, that the educational system is facing.... Asking for more money and fewer hours will not improve the education children are receiving...
My cousin refuses to strike... Not my friend... Al... (show quote)



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Feb 13, 2020 02:11:43   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Cacasdad wrote:
No dtucker300 salary does not include medical, and vacation.
Salary refers to the cash that ends up in your bank account.
Medical coverage, and vacation fall under the BENEFITS category, hence the statement salary and benefits when describing compensation for a job hopefully well done.

Do you even try to be accurate with the facts when you write a post? Or is all you care about is that your post validates your personal narrative, regardless of how erroneous your posting is?


You really are a condescending arrogant hair-splitting *hole. Of course, we have secret ballots but the unions donate heavily to Democrats. And you don't get to decide how or why the donation is made. There has been an on-going fight and court battles over forcing teachers to pay union dues who make campaign contributions to candidates they don't like. You really like to split hairs.

Medical benefits are sometimes counted as taxable income. A salary is a salary regardless of who or what you are talking about so EXCUSE ME! Salary and benefits (Now are you happy? I doubt it because you are a miserable SOB) are still better than many in the private sector earn. Remember, I said I was generalizing because it applies to the majority of teachers in most instances. Is this all you could pick at to argue about? What a lame brain you are!

If you are in St. Louis not wonder you are a cranky and irascible person. You live in America's armpit. Feel free to come back when you actually have something of value to say instead of being a cyberbully and pretending to be omniscient.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:21:25   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:


He's one of my heroes

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Feb 13, 2020 02:28:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You really are a condescending arrogant hair-splitting *hole. Of course, we have secret ballots but the unions donate heavily to Democrats. And you don't get to decide how or why the donation is made. There has been an on-going fight and court battles over forcing teachers to pay union dues who make campaign contributions to candidates they don't like. You really like to split hairs.

Medical benefits are sometimes counted as taxable income. A salary is a salary regardless of who or what you are talking about so EXCUSE ME! Salary and benefits (Now are you happy? I doubt it because you are a miserable SOB) are still better than many in the private sector earn. Remember, I said I was generalizing because it applies to the majority of teachers in most instances. Is this all you could pick at to argue about? What a lame brain you are!

If you are in St. Louis not wonder you are a cranky and irascible person. You live in America's armpit and you smell like one too.
You really are a condescending arrogant hair-split... (show quote)


Chuckle...

Don't let the troll get to you Tucker...

Insults are all he has...

What's wrong with being an armpit?

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Feb 13, 2020 02:31:31   #
Cacasdad
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yep...

The first and most important step would be getting rid of teacher unions....

How they are allowed to donate to candidates is beyond my understanding...


I am amazed how little your teachers edumacation didn’t increase your cognitive critical thinking skills!
It’s really quite simple, here in the states the Republican Party does everything it can to hold down salaries in general for everyone below the top 10%.

They fight any minimum wage increase, which of course is what most of the people you/we come in contact with are paid. I don’t know about Canada, but their is no place a person working full time can live alone on our minimum wage. If they did away with it, those companies that pay the minimum would lower their starting wage. They already don’t give more than 1-2- tops 3% increases.
3% is a whopping $30 per &1k Of earnings. So a person making $30k a year gets a whopping $900 raise for the year. That’s not even $20 a week.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:34:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Cacasdad wrote:
I am amazed how little your teachers edumacation didn’t increase your cognitive critical thinking skills!
It’s really quite simple, here in the states the Republican Party does everything it can to hold down salaries in general for everyone below the top 10%.

They fight any minimum wage increase, which of course is what most of the people you/we come in contact with are paid. I don’t know about Canada, but their is no place a person working full time can live alone on our minimum wage. If they did away with it, those companies that pay the minimum would lower their starting wage. They already don’t give more than 1-2- tops 3% increases.
3% is a whopping $30 per &1k Of earnings. So a person making $30k a year gets a whopping $900 raise for the year. That’s not even $20 a week.
I am amazed how little your teachers edumacation d... (show quote)


Teachers in the US make minimum wage?

They should all strike

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