padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Observe what a poisonous mind you have cultivated. You are not the least hopeful that the President is innocent inasmuch as you believe that if he is allowed to be cross examined by a POS like Schiff or Nadler, they will lead him into some kind of admission of guilt because you'd bet the farm he's guilty.

You want the removal of hearsay evidence by the very same, mostly biased, witnesses who admitted, under oath, their testimony was hearsay and by whom the House eventually based their entire charges. Furthermore if the President's lawyers successfully convince him not to sit before the lynch mob Progressives, you believe he's automatically guilty. Are you familiar with the 5th Amendment? You and your fellow Comrades could care less if the President is innocent or guilty; whatever it takes to get rid of him is legitimate to their way of thinking. Conservatives hated Obama's policies and continuously sought to derail his "fundamental changing of America, yet there was no coup to unseat him. He participated in more legitimate impeachable offenses and constitutional breaches than any other President in my lifetime going back to FDR. Obama convinced his "congregation of shallow thinkers" that his administration had never committed even a "smidgeon of scandal." How utterly absurd. I will not live long enough to witness the harm and moral degradation Obama imposed on America expunged. It's going to take several Donald Trump type of Presidents and a heap of prayers.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

👍👍✨Line item their Derrières shoving right back to them their lies and innuendo, then have them explain exactly what they were relying on “ evidence wise” to draw such conclusions before the Senate and citizens of this country...Watch em skirm~~

DASHY

Obama was not Impeached, nor was he ever accused of impeachable or criminal acts. Trump has been accused of criminal acts and he has been Impeached by the House of Representatives based on overwhelming evidence. Trump tells us he has "material" he is withholding from Congress. If these "materials" would advance his claim that he did nothing wrong he would share his secret information with the American people. He is certainly guilty. The question remains: Will the GOP senators have the courage to remove him from office, or at the very least, direct him to turn over to the Congress all documents pertaining to this case?

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

This is a post to Dashy earlier in this thread that has gone unanswered for the obvious reasons, silence is often a tell all.. .. She/he nor any of those in support of this orchestrated impeachment reply to it ..Too direct I guess???

Excellent post you took time with but witnessed by the replies or lack thereof don’t expect much..🤫
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DASHY wrote:
Perhaps Adam Schiff (Harvard Law School graduate) should have consulted with you on legal procedures. Trump himself prevented the Impeachment managers from obtaining requested documents and witnesses because he knew such evidence would damage his case. My opinion is that this act by the president proves the Obstruction of Congress article of impeachment.

Lindajoy wrote:

This is from 4430 on a new thread just posted..
If they want new witnesses now why didn’t they call them earlier or they change their minds and decide they didn't want them during their “ investigation?
Bolton had said if Under subpoena he would attend, yet they never did it, why?

https://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/168246311071477/

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Had Obama been a republican, I'm better he would have been accused. But republicans are sane and don't abuse their power trying to undo an election that they lost!! They win on issues!!

DASHY

One particular Republican, King Trump, abuses his power all the time. Examples of abuses would be:
(1) Bribing a foreign leader for personal political gain, and (2) Obstruction of Congress. Sound familiar? Nothing about this Impeachment process has anything to do with Obama.

Cuda2020

It seems the motive is not to have a corrupt president and to uphold our republic and our democracy.

American Vet

President Barack Obama ought to have been impeached at least seven times over for each of the following cases in which the GAO found that the Obama administration had violated federal law.

https://politicalbullpen.com/t/the-gao-found-the-obama-administration-violated-federal-law-seven-times/7016

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Perhaps not everyone believes all the lying media hype over impeachment.~~ note the speaker involved and if you don’t know him or of him look him up..~

https://www.westernjournal.com/cnn-discovers-democratic-voters-not-really-interested-impeachment/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=newsletter-WJ&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=western-journal

CNN Discovers Democratic Voters 'Not Really That Interested' in Impeachment


By Jack Davis
Published January 26, 2020 at 10:37am
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Although impeaching President Donald Trump has been the core purpose of House Democrats for months, the American people are shrugging off the entire spectacle, according to one CNN commentator.

CNN Senior Political Commentator David Axelrod said Friday during a broadcast of the CNN show “Out Front” that a Democratic focus group he attended was anxious to leave impeachment in the dust.

He’s most likely wrong tho~~

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yeah, we know, Pete. The House did not try the case, it was supposed to conduct an objective, non-partisan investigation to determine if the president had committed impeachable offenses based on the standards set by our Constitution, then submit those to the senate for trial. But, the PSN cabal failed on all counts to do that.

The three preceding impeachments should have been the model for the current attempt, but again, the House completely ignored any precedent and made up their own rules without regard to the constitution or due process. The impeachment process established by the constitution is a political process, not a criminal one. The grotesque spectacle Americans are now witnessing in congress bears no resemblance to the process followed in previous impeachments.

During the Constitutional Convention in 1787, when the issue of removing a duly elected president came up, the framers understood this was no trivial matter, they knew full well that such a thing had serious consequences for the good of the nation. In considering how an impeachment could be done without endangering the integrity of the system of government they were creating, the framers pondered upon the British laws for removing a monarch. Madison and Mason engaged in a rather heated debate on what should constitute grounds for impeachment.

Treason and Bribery were already settled, but Mason proposed to add what he called "maladministration". Madison objected, stating this was far too vague, and would open the door for an unlimited range of impeachable offenses. Something as simple as policy differences could be grounds. Madison proposed "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" that were equally as serious in nature as Treason and Bribery. Eventually, the matter was settled with the bar set very high. (Curiously, George Mason did not sign either of our founding documents.)

The Constitution of the United States belongs to We, the People, it is not the property of the government.
The 435 members of the HOR are elected to represent We, the People, they are our voice in congress, or are supposed to be.

Originally, the 100 senators (2 from each state) were chosen by each state legislature to represent the interests of the state in congress. However, the 17th Amendment did away with that brilliant idea and put the election of the entire congress into the hands of voters. This effectively defeated the purpose of the senate. Thank you, Woodrow.

When an impeachment of the president is proposed by whomever, We, the People (that means all of us from sea to shining sea) through our representatives in the HOR rightfully have a say in this. This is why, as was done in past impeachments, an impeachment inquiry cannot proceed to committee without a majority vote in the entire House, IOW, without all Americans having a voice in the matter.

When an impeachment inquiry is approved, as in the past, the HJC has the responsibility to conduct the inquiry. And, as in all past impeachment inquiries, the president (the accused) has every right to be fully represented for the purpose of defense at committee hearings. The president's defense team has the right to call their own witnesses and to question and cross examine any witnesses in the hot lights. The SoH and House committee chairmen denied president Trump these rights.

In the current impeachment of president Trump, we can kiss all of that goodbye.

On November 9, 2016, 73 days before Donald Trump was sworn in as POTUS, the American left began the impeachment process. And, on that day, hearing the cries for impeachment from a large body of ignorant, thoroughly indoctrinated anti-American leftists, two vindictive and extremely partisan democrats from California and one from New York, with absolute contempt for We, the People, took it upon themselves to initiate impeachment proceedings. They did this without a simple majority vote by all members of the HOR.

Not to mention the previous administration's egregious attempt to covertly destroy Donald Trump, the PSN cabal in the House made a complete shambles of the process, turned it into a gutter level assault on not only president Trump but on our constitution and the 63 million Americans who voted for him.

For three excruciating years of covert domestic spying operations, an unconstitutionally appointed special counsel investigation, conspiracies, hundreds of subpoenas and witness testimonies, indictments, trials and convictions, and the ruination of some men's lives, all done in an attempt to find something, anything, with which to impeach president Trump, the cretins finally lowered the bar to a phone call based on a complaint by a still mysterious, unquestioned whistleblower. This individual failed to follow intelligence agency protocols for filing complaints, and instead contacted members of the House Intelligence Committee staff. The committee chairman had an orgasm. This opened the door for the committee to compile a list of diplomats to subpoena for testimony, none of whom had listened to the phone call.

On September 24, 2019, the SoH announced a formal impeachment inquiry would proceed. On November 6, 2019, the House Intelligence Committee chairman announced that "a public" inquiry would commence on November 13. Thirty six days later, after the House Intelligence Committee had marked up an impeachment resolution, on December 18, 2019, the SoH put the resolution before the entire House for a vote. The resolution passed 232 to 196. Every House Republican and two democrats voted against it.

Put simply, approximately 37 House democrats on two committees lowered the standards for impeaching a president to a level that might convict a trespasser in a county court. They established grounds for impeachment, marked up a resolution, and submitted the articles to the senate with no regard whatsoever for the feelings of the entire voting population.

In the extremely remote chance that the impeachment of president Trump should succeed, our system of government will expire, the senate will be a ghost of its former self, separation of powers will be nonexistent, and every future president could be subject to impeachment for nothing more than farting in a crowded room.

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lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Bravo~~~Exceptionally Phenomenal in context and recitation...👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

EmilyD

Trump did nothing himself...that why he has White House Counsel advising him. As explained yesterday during the Defense's presentation, the subpoenas that the House issued were invalid. They were not granted the authority to issue subpoenas because the full House did not vote on that, as is required by the Constitution. Because of that, every person that was subpoenaed took the issue to court to decide on their validity. When the Dems saw that happening, they withdrew the subpoenas. Nancy just forged ahead, appointed the Intelligence Committee (it was supposed to be the Judicial Committee to conduct the hearings by law, but that is another issue) to hear their own witnesses. Trump's Counsel was not allowed to be at these hearings. They were supposed to be able to have their own witnesses and be able to cross examine the prosecution's witnesses. Didn't happen. Trump was not offered due process by the House.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Emily, I finally gave up with Dashy. He's so firmly locked into Trump's guilt he's beyond rational thought. He has many contemporaries on this form that are just as convinced of Trump's guilt and nothing, absolutely nothing, can penetrate and change those convictions. Anything less than impeachment, found guilty by the Senate, removed from his Office with extreme prejudice, and thrown into prison will satiate their blood lust.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Sorry to disagree,
Trump has constitutional legal right to exercise executive privilege and the house has a remedy to exercise of they disagree.....court, not including his executive privilege in the articles.
They know better but did it anyway.

Jack

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Blade,
Wow , you hit every note 👍
A 10 year old could understand this.
Sadly not someone basing understanding on emotions.
Hate seems to me is the only emotion the left expresses when facts, documentation, empirical evidence are provided.

Grateful to have you on our forum,

Jack