However it is the House's responsibility to have iron clad investigation, call "all" relevant witnesses, hold hearings with defense attorneys, the accused being able to question witnesses, call witnesses and based on this process of findings the purpose of the articles of impeachment includes all the above.

The Senate according to our founders and the constitution is to have their hearings solely based upon the articles of impeachment. They may "recall witnesses to clarify but its not the Senate's position to or requirements to call new witnesses or enter new evidence, that falls solely upon Congress to complete before ever sending the articles of impeachment.
The founders intended that if there were an impeachable offense, congress would have such iron clad evidence so the Senate would only have hearings on the articles of impeachment.

My point is this, if Congress didn't do their job in the first place and need more witnesses, the founding fathers would say "dismiss " .
Suppose there were a smoking gun document and genuine reliable witnesses that could in fact cause the Senate to remove the president. It still falls short of the constitutional process for impeachment because Congress failed to include said document and call the genuine reliable witness.

I suggest that the Ukrain phone transcript.......any place President Trump's name is present, erase it.
Then replace with President Obama...

Now read the transcript between President Obama and the newly elected president of the Ukraine.

I believe 100% that the Democrat congress leading the articles of impeachment only are using the phone transcript because it has the name Trump. It's not about the transcript, it's about the 2020 e******n and not one strong contender against Trump.
Biden, Sanders or even a few others would have a strong chance against Pence, Cruz or a few others in the spot light but Trump has better than 50/50 odds of winning from the current candidate's.
The fair question to ask "Does Pelosi have a political motive , along with others in the party?
Is it plausible that either party in Congress or the Senate would use backroom tactics?
If you can answer yes to either, than it applies to both.

Hope all is well with you Peter,
Take care
Jack

However it is the House's responsibility to have iron clad investigation, call "all" relevant witnesses, hold hearings with defense attorneys, the accused being able to question witnesses, call witnesses and based on this process of findings the purpose of the articles of impeachment includes all the above.

The Senate according to our founders and the constitution is to have their hearings solely based upon the articles of impeachment. They may "recall witnesses to clarify but its not the Senate's position to or requirements to call new witnesses or enter new evidence, that falls solely upon Congress to complete before ever sending the articles of impeachment.
The founders intended that if there were an impeachable offense, congress would have such iron clad evidence so the Senate would only have hearings on the articles of impeachment.

My point is this, if Congress didn't do their job in the first place and need more witnesses, the founding fathers would say "dismiss " .
Suppose there were a smoking gun document and genuine reliable witnesses that could in fact cause the Senate to remove the president. It still falls short of the constitutional process for impeachment because Congress failed to include said document and call the genuine reliable witness.

I suggest that the Ukrain phone transcript.......any place President Trump's name is present, erase it.
Then replace with President Obama...

Now read the transcript between President Obama and the newly elected president of the Ukraine.

I believe 100% that the Democrat congress leading the articles of impeachment only are using the phone transcript because it has the name Trump. It's not about the transcript, it's about the 2020 e******n and not one strong contender against Trump.
Biden, Sanders or even a few others would have a strong chance against Pence, Cruz or a few others in the spot light but Trump has better than 50/50 odds of winning from the current candidate's.
The fair question to ask "Does Pelosi have a political motive , along with others in the party?
Is it plausible that either party in Congress or the Senate would use backroom tactics?
If you can answer yes to either, than it applies to both.

Hope all is well with you Peter,
Take care
Jack

This meme below goes around and around on my Facebook feed posted by my conservative friends. Each time I try to explain to them that the House doesn't try the president but instead acts the same as a grand jury would in our own criminal system. Impeachment is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official nothing more. The trial is supposed to take place in the Senate but Moscow Mitch seems determined from keeping that from happening.

So do you get it? The house did not try the president because if they did there would be no reason for a trial by the Senate would there...

Why is it that it cannot penetrate that liver, kidney or wh**ever it is that you keep betwixt your ears, that the House did not act as a Grand Jury because, for one thing, they sought evidence only to convict and refused to allow or hear any other type of evidence? Even this Marxist tactic did not bear fruit for them; no direct evidence only assumptions.
Furthermore, Pelosi and others proclaimed President Trump "Guilty!" before, during and after the lynching your House Progressives called hearings. Now your phony "Grand Jury" is telling the Senate how they must conduct the trial and if the Senate refuses to comply to their demands, the House will scream "cover up" to their high altar, the MSM, with whom they have worked in collusion to conduct this c**p to remove and/or fatally discredit a legitimately elected President. You people are stupid enough to believe that if you remove Trump everything comes up sunshine. lollypops and roses again instead of the beginning of never ending sorrows. You progressives present the greatest destructive force ever to attack this nation and her people, mentally morally and spirituality, than any other evil force we have faced in our entire history and you actually believe you're virtuous. In the strongest understanding of uncompromising absolute T***h, Progressives call that which is evil as good and that which is good as being evil. Progressives have codified evil into laws and their profane venom is now found acceptable everywhere and spreading. President Trump and Conservatives are the forces standing up in opposition to Progressives.

Why is it that it cannot penetrate that liver, kidney or wh**ever it is that you keep betwixt your ears, that the House did not act as a Grand Jury because, for one thing, they sought evidence only to convict and refused to allow or hear any other type of evidence? Even this Marxist tactic did not bear fruit for them; no direct evidence only assumptions.
Furthermore, Pelosi and others proclaimed President Trump "Guilty!" before, during and after the lynching your House Progressives called hearings. Now your phony "Grand Jury" is telling the Senate how they must conduct the trial and if the Senate refuses to comply to their demands, the House will scream "cover up" to their high altar, the MSM, with whom they have worked in collusion to conduct this c**p to remove and/or fatally discredit a legitimately elected President. You people are stupid enough to believe that if you remove Trump everything comes up sunshine. lollypops and roses again instead of the beginning of never ending sorrows. You progressives present the greatest destructive force ever to attack this nation and her people, mentally morally and spirituality, than any other evil force we have faced in our entire history and you actually believe you're virtuous. In the strongest understanding of uncompromising absolute T***h, Progressives call that which is evil as good and that which is good as being evil. Progressives have codified evil into laws and their profane venom is now found acceptable everywhere and spreading. President Trump and Conservatives are the forces standing up in opposition to Progressives.

Well said, Mike~~

“Grand Jury" is telling the Senate how they must conduct the trial and if the Senate refuses to comply to their demands, the House will scream "cover up" to their high altar, the MSM, with whom they have worked in collusion to conduct this c**p to remove and/or fatally discredit a legitimately elected President.”

They have been screaming cover up all along...Nothing impartial in their supposed investigation seeking facts and evidence as we witnessed with Schiff and Nadler recitation of BS...Not supported by any evidence just innuendo.. Such a Travesty to our Constitution, the people of this great nation and our nation itself.. Dispicable display of h**e..