Whats up with Virginia? (Page 2): The "sensible gun regulations" weren't needed. Felons and lunatics are already prohibited from owning or possessing firearms. Got any other lame...

American Vet

Kevyn wrote:

The sensible gun regulation Virginia is implementing has been tested in the courts when other states have done the same, and they are well within constitutional constraints. They are not taking anyone’s guns. Other than lunatics and felons.

The "sensible gun regulations" weren't needed. Felons and lunatics are already prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

Got any other lame excuses for gun control?

rjoeholl

Blade_Runner wrote:

Is Virginia SB64 "within constitutional restraints"? Before you answer, what exactly constitutes a "constitutional restraint"?

The constitution - Articles, Sections, and paragraphs - describes what the federal government can do, how it is intended to function. OTH, the Bill of Rights defines what the federal government CANNOT DO. The 2nd amendment constrains the government. The right to bear arms is inalienable, it shall not be infringed.

Virginia Bill SB64 states that a person is guilty of a Felony if that person Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons. This doesn’t just apply to firearms, but your martial arts as well.

The law would instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons. This includes instructors who teach kickboxing, BJJ, Krav Maga, boxing and even Capoeira.

It would also criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes.

It would even criminalize a father teaching his own son how to use a hunting rifle.

Specifically, the law says that a person “is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity” (a class 5 felony) if that person:

“Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons…”

The phrase “technique capable of causing injury or death to persons” covers all forms of martial arts and self-defense training, including Krav Maga, BJJ, boxing and other contact martial arts such as Tae Kwon Do or Tai Chi.

Under the proposed law, all forms of self-defense training — including hand-to-hand martial arts training — would be considered “paramilitary activity,” even if the training consists of private classes involving just one instructor and one student. That’s because every form of martial arts training imparts skills which could be used to cause injury to other persons.

In fact, according to the language of the law, just “one” person learning such arts is a felony crime, which means that watching a DVD on Krav Maga would be a felony crime.

“Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons…”

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There goes football practice.

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

What's up with Virginia is that still another Democrat leader of a state is trying to impose his warped, biased policies on everyone in that state without regard for common sense and the common good. Like many Democrat lead states and cities, the consequences of those policies are not taken into consideration. Cities in California that were once considered "jewels" of the state are now drug infested, toxic places where is it dangerous to even drink the water. San Francisco just elected a DA that has promised NOT to prosecute "quality of life' crimes (public defecation and urination), he wants to do away with bail (leave criminals on the street until their hearing, do away with increased penalties if the criminal was a member of a gang. There is not enough space or time to list the all the negative consequences of Democrat leadership in various States, cities, and towns in America.

The real shame is that as people leave states like California and New York (just two of many), they move to Conservative run states and vote for Democrats like the ones that caused them to move in the first place. Sad.

bahmer

Fodaoson wrote:

Virginia has gone nuts. It is taking guns away from law abiding citizens and giving the vote to criminals. It is violating the second amendment and violating common sense

Amen and Amen

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Blade_Runner wrote:

Is Virginia SB64 "within constitutional restraints"? Before you answer, what exactly constitutes a "constitutional restraint"?

The constitution - Articles, Sections, and paragraphs - describes what the federal government can do, how it is intended to function. OTH, the Bill of Rights defines what the federal government CANNOT DO. The 2nd amendment constrains the government. The right to bear arms is inalienable, it shall not be infringed.

Virginia Bill SB64 states that a person is guilty of a Felony if that person Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons. This doesn’t just apply to firearms, but your martial arts as well.

The law would instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons. This includes instructors who teach kickboxing, BJJ, Krav Maga, boxing and even Capoeira.

It would also criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes.

It would even criminalize a father teaching his own son how to use a hunting rifle.

Specifically, the law says that a person “is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity” (a class 5 felony) if that person:

“Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons…”

The phrase “technique capable of causing injury or death to persons” covers all forms of martial arts and self-defense training, including Krav Maga, BJJ, boxing and other contact martial arts such as Tae Kwon Do or Tai Chi.

Under the proposed law, all forms of self-defense training — including hand-to-hand martial arts training — would be considered “paramilitary activity,” even if the training consists of private classes involving just one instructor and one student. That’s because every form of martial arts training imparts skills which could be used to cause injury to other persons.

In fact, according to the language of the law, just “one” person learning such arts is a felony crime, which means that watching a DVD on Krav Maga would be a felony crime.

“Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons…”

Is Virginia SB64 "within constitutional restr... (show quote)

Like I said in another thread, the leftists are the most stupid group of people on the planet.

F.D.R.

I suppose medical and culinary schools will close since sharp objects would be the next 'go to' if guns are taken away. So surgeons and chefs will be rounded up no doubt.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

JFlorio wrote:

The Democrats in Virginia want to pass laws that actually confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. They want to pass a very flawed red flag law. Already over 100 counties and municipalities in Virginia have declared themselves sanctuary 2nd Amendment counties. My brother lives there and keeps me updated. You should never believe kevy. He’s a troll and a liar.

My cousin, his wife and daughter live there so odds are I'll be going and bringing most of my Ohio guys there too. Maybe it will be the start of a civil war. Bloomberg? I don't think so, just a skirmish.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Blade_Runner wrote:

Yeah, we understand. "Well-regulated" DOES NOT mean regulated by the federal government.

Been over this a million times and you still haven't got it. Go figure.

Nope, 'well regulated' they go on maybe 6 mile marches every day and just keep up as an ordinary army would. NO DAMN GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.

bggamers Loc: georgia

Auntie Lulu wrote:

That is beyond scary. Did the people of Virginia know what a ham bone they were voting into office?

Apparently they voted Democrat all the way they are now letting felons and the mentally ill vote

Seth

bggamers wrote:

Apparently they voted Democrat all the way they are now letting felons and the mentally ill vote

Too bad there's not some way to re-channel all the "liberals" leaving NY and California to Virginia instead of great states like Texas -- that way they can keep the Leftist Vote® in the family.

Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta

Please forward me some of that smart drink you use. I could use the help. Thank God you have a short penis so you have to stand close to the com.ode! If it requires looking further down the road youwouldbe in trouble.

Seth

Cherokee38 wrote:

Please forward me some of that smart drink you use. I could use the help. Thank God you have a short penis so you have to stand close to the com.ode! If it requires looking further down the road youwouldbe in trouble.

You should use "quote reply" so we know whom you're replying to.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

My cousin, his wife and daughter live there so odds are I'll be going and bringing most of my Ohio guys there too. Maybe it will be the start of a civil war. Bloomberg? I don't think so, just a skirmish.

Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta

Fodaoson wrote:

Blade runner writes “The right to bear arms is in... (show quote)

The reason states and government officials can't be sued as the results of laws they pass. Example gather up gunsand eliminate my ability to protect myself.. If we pass a law making them responsible for the results of those laws they will back off. Everywhere gun confiscation has occurred time has gone up. They don't talk a out that. Did you ever stop and think one of the reasons we have never been invaded we have more hunting licenses in Texas 800000 which is larger than the largest standing army? That is why the Japanese didn't continue to the coast of Calif. Think before acting. Let me give you some u.bers to consider. 2018 195 killed in mass shootings. Also in2018 10,853 killedby illegal i..migrants. is the problem guns or illegals? identify the real problem!

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Fodaoson wrote:

Here I go again, believing the nonsense I read on OPP

If you mean Mike's nope. It won't be like Ruby Ridge, everyone is more sophisticated and can use radio. I don't think they'll just cow to Northum and his neo-fascists. Especially not when help from other states is coming.