Another agency which needs eliminating? (Page 2): If we were capable of eliminating irrelevant agencies/departments, we would have gotten rid of DHS already. There are so many...

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Elwood wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/lerner-emails-plotted-prosecuting-conservatives/

Fair Tax or even flat tax could eliminate a need for the IRS which would be a blessing for this country.

If we were capable of eliminating irrelevant agencies/departments, we would have gotten rid of DHS already. There are so many operatives, doing the same thing, at the same time - they're getting in each other's way. The "keystone cops" for realz.

Retired669

lpnmajor wrote:

If we were capable of eliminating irrelevant agencies/departments, we would have gotten rid of DHS already. There are so many operatives, doing the same thing, at the same time - they're getting in each other's way. The "keystone cops" for realz.

That is one agency that should have never been created. I wonder how many people lost their government jobs concerning the Intel failure of 9/11?

Kirk

Retired669 wrote:

If you're able to think clearly you need too about what you're proposing. It's a bad idea but the crooks would like though.

OK Retired669 I'm calling BS on that one. I have taken notice on that my friends who are liberal and voice it tend to take advantage of every write off they can get to the extreme. I can give you specific examples but too much to write. It seems as I read these posts it's the liberal thinkers that are self righteous.

Retired669

Kirk wrote:

OK Retired669 I'm calling BS on that one. I have taken notice on that my friends who are liberal and voice it tend to take advantage of every write off they can get to the extreme. I can give you specific examples but too much to write. It seems as I read these posts it's the liberal thinkers that are self righteous.

I've never met anyone that didn't try to lessen their tax bill anyway they could. If you start getting to extreme in your write offs compared to how much you made your chances of getting an audit go way up.

Kirk my one brother has made a career working for the IRS for over 35 years and the tax cheats he's busted have all been rich and still trying to beat the system. Without the IRS regardless of which tax system we have there will be cheaters and no one to catch them or enforce the laws. I doubt if that is the kind of country you want to live in where anyone could try to beat the system every time they feel like it. Without some kind of organized structure to follow I believe we would have complete failure every where you look. Who knows maybe that is what the rich are after along with getting all the suckers they can to follow them.

Kirk

Retired669 wrote:

I've never met anyone that didn't try to lessen th... (show quote)

Of course everyone will try to keep what they can regardless of their wealth. On another post you asked me what I do for a living. As a licensed union contractor (carpenters) I can tell you I struggle to keep up with the payroll taxes, Insurances and Union benefits. It seems we pay too much. Every month by the 15th. I must pay them and it depleats our bank account. Like they say you need to be rich to be in business as it is getting harder and harder. The money comes slow and the demands are high. IRS charges us penalties, the union charges us LD's and God forbid you're late on your workmans comp, because if you loose it, your out of business. For this reason I think the more we grow the government the more the demands. I like the idea of a flat tax on everyone with no write offs but a fair tax we can afford. We also cannot not ignore the load that small businesses carry while taking risks for the many who are receiving benefits while not paying into the system.

Elwood Loc: Florida

lpnmajor wrote:

If we were capable of eliminating irrelevant agencies/departments, we would have gotten rid of DHS already. There are so many operatives, doing the same thing, at the same time - they're getting in each other's way. The "keystone cops" for realz.

Yup.

astrolite

Unclet wrote:

Take your blinders off - Who cares who would compl... (show quote)

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Disquisted with our leaders

Elwood wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/lerner-emails-plotted-prosecuting-conservatives/

Fair Tax or even flat tax could eliminate a need for the IRS which would be a blessing for this country.

This is exactly what is needed. They are a bunch of crooks who are dictated to by Obuma. They put up orders to get donors names from Conservative groups but they do release anything to Congress.

Elwood Loc: Florida

Disquisted with our leaders wrote:

This is exactly what is needed. They are a bunch of crooks who are dictated to by Obuma. They put up orders to get donors names from Conservative groups but they do release anything to Congress.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :-D

Tyster

Kirk wrote:

Of course everyone will try to keep what they can ... (show quote)

If you think income tax exists to raise money to run the government, then you cannot comprehend why there are "loopholes" and a fair or flat tax seems more reasonable. However, the prime motive behind the personal taxation is for the government to manipulate the economy. Benefits are offered in order to stimulate a particular segment. There are huge deductions allowed for buying new equipment (by businesses), other credits for investing in alternative power sources, etc. The loopholes are designed to draw investment into various areas. The target of these loopholes would be the rich since they are the ones to be able to impact the economy.

The higher your income, the higher your rate. Savvy investors reduce the rates by putting money into government designated areas that reduce their income to lower rate levels. The rich do not get a lower rate automatically - just if they spend their money where the government points to.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Tyster wrote:

If you think income tax exists to raise money to r... (show quote)

Yes, or put it somewhere beyond the Governments reach. Either way, the tax system doesn't benefit the poor to middle class, it isn't designed to, as you said.

adennya Loc: Berthoud, CO

Have you read SB-25? Visit fairtax.org for the clear information.

A few points...

Everybody would get a "prebate" on the fair tax to pay the taxes on basic necessities such as food, clothing, housing etc. People at the bottom of the financial ladder would pay very little tax.

Only new automobiles would be taxed, not used ones (several more little goodies like this one.)

The IRS would be abolished immediately.

ALL Federal taxes would be gone. Ever notice what you pay in "fees" on your phone and utility bills? No more "death taxes", capital gains taxes... it gets better all the time.

Only two groups of people are against the Fair Tax: The folks who haven't read up on the details and... (here's the rub)...

Politicians, who would immediately lose their power to control and manipulate things for their own social engineering ends. Any income tax would leave them with this power including a flat income tax. Not good. Dehorn the bastards by demanding the passage of the Fair Tax. Listen to them screech. I love that beautiful noise.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Elwood wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/lerner-emails-plotted-prosecuting-conservatives/

Fair Tax or even flat tax could eliminate a need for the IRS which would be a blessing for this country.

I couldn't agree with more enthusiasm, even lawyers I know...that work in tax law...say this MUST change.

Elwood Loc: Florida

adennya wrote:

Have you read SB-25? Visit fairtax.org for the cle... (show quote)

You hit the nail on the head. Very little support from our elected representatives. Ted Cruz is on board but I don't know how much support he is getting. :thumbup: :thumbup: :-D

Elwood Loc: Florida

Dummy Boy wrote:

I couldn't agree with more enthusiasm, even lawyers I know...that work in tax law...say this MUST change.

The IRS rules and regulations are so damned complex that both tax lawyers and CPAs have a hard time interpreting or understanding them. Talk about bureaucracy running amok. :hunf: