Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Deflect much? What I do or do not reject is of little interest to anyone.

Are you attempting to hijack the thread, or have you just discovered proof of evolution?

In OPP's archives, there are topics on evolution from several years ago that are hundreds of pages long, and though it was fun at the time, to my knowledge, no one's mind was ever changed.

Evolution is not something we can observe. If it's happening today, it's going too slow to observe. If it happened in the past, we can't return to the past to see, and certainly not in the same way we know that 2+2=4.

There is no demonstrable evidence for the big bang, and chemical evolution has failed to create living systems in the laboratory. In spite of the billions of fossils found, there are no unquestionable fossils showing any transition between any of the major life-forms.

Evolution, at the most, is an unprovable idea about history, not observational science. We can make inferences about the past based on modern observations, but ideas about past history are not the same as repeatable observations in the present.

...and evolution is not the topic at hand.

Nice try though.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

It was a point...



Hijack?

Thread''s been dead for a while...

Proof was discovered long before my birth...



Changing one's mind doesn't matter to facts..

I have enjoyed some of those threads..



Actually we have observed it... Bacteria, insects, plants, small mamnals, etc...

Actual evolution... Fascinating...



You see... It's annoying having to point this out... Again and again...

Evolution doesn't deal with the creation of the universe... Nor does it deal with the creation of life... It deals only with the divergence of genetic patterns, resulting in new species...

And there are literally thousands upon thousands of transitional fossils... Google it...



Proven and accepted by most of the world..

As it is ongoing it is applicable to the present and the future...



It was an example...

I find it interesting that you focused on it rather than continue our most interesting discussion of objective vs subjective truth....

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

...for the very good reason that you displayed no concept of truth. "Your truth" is relative, and therefore meaningless.

Addendum:


I find it utterly amazing that you found that interesting.

This is written in stone. There is no proof to the contrary, nor will there ever be.

Genesis 1:24-25: …"according to their own kinds..."

24 "And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and wild animals according to their kinds.” And it was so.
25 "God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.…

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

My truth is not relative... No such thing...

It was a tasty bone though... Quite enjoyable... Made a nice brother from it... Very warming on these chilly evenings...

Speaking of which...I hope that you have been keeping healthy and snug...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

""You see... It's annoying having to point this out... Again and again...

Evolution doesn't deal with the creation of the universe... Nor does it deal with the creation of life... It deals only with the divergence of genetic patterns, resulting in new species... ""


I sometimes wonder just how ignorant people are when they continue to equate the two; evolution and origin of life/universe. It just blows my mind.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

You seem to have the false assumption that Fox News only tells half truths, but you realize they are editorials. With that said, I then must state that you believe what ever so-called news agencies state as fact, are correct all of the time. Just my opinion but probably true from your posts. Your last sentence sounds just like the talking heads of the MSM. They tell what they believe to be the truth, not supported by actual facts most of the time. They are supposed to be news anchors not commenters. On fox those like Hannity are actually commentators not news anchors.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Genesis 1:23-25:

23 "And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and wild animals according to their kinds.” And it was so.
25God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind.
And God saw that it was good.…


Belief in Creationism is based on the belief that God is a truth teller, and that His written Word is true and can be trusted.

"Creationism is the belief that the Earth, all known life upon it, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural Deity. The belief is also called intelligent design."


Evolution is a theory of evolution by "natural selection," as it is formulated in Charles Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" in 1859, a theory learned from his grandfather.

Darwin believed in a process by which organisms change over long extensions of time in their heritable physical or behavioral traits, allowing the organism to survive through better adaption to its environment, enabling it to produce more offspring.

Evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations. Further, after a population splits into smaller groups, these groups evolve independently, eventually diversifying into new species.

One can pretend that a car frame evolved into a truck frame, but we know that actual engineers customized each of these designs to the smallest detail. The same is true of living creatures.

Imagine replacing a bone with the corresponding bone from a different creature. Would your hand work better with a raccoon thumb stuck on it, or the raccoon’s with yours? Instead, the length, width, size, shape, thickness, density, and angle of each bone’s facet makes a precise fit with its neighboring bone.

Where can we witness nature engineering features? When have we seen an animal skeleton morphing into that of another animal? Printed on a recruitment poster for an engineering school is, “Cool stuff doesn’t just make itself.” This truth applies just as much to man-made parts as it does to God-made creatures.

As annoying as anyone might find it, NOTHING has ever been found in the fossil record that contradicts this truth.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

+++One can pretend that a car frame evolved into a truck frame, but we know that actual engineers customized each of these designs to the smallest detail. The same is true of living creatures.

Imagine replacing a bone with the corresponding bone from a different creature. Would your hand work better with a raccoon thumb stuck on it, or the raccoon’s with yours? Instead, the length, width, size, shape, thickness, density, and angle of each bone’s facet makes a precise fit with its neighboring bone.

Where can we witness nature engineering features? When have we seen an animal skeleton morphing into that of another animal? Printed on a recruitment poster for an engineering school is, “Cool stuff doesn’t just make itself.” This truth applies just as much to man-made parts as it does to God-made creatures.

As annoying as anyone might find it, NOTHING has ever been found in the fossil record that contradicts this truth.+++

This is the part where you went wrong. Your car/truck analogy doesn't work in the slightest. The changes seen which gradually accumulate in species occurs at the genetic level and over thousands of generations/millions of year in most animals although many plants and bacteria can have significant genetic changes in very short time periods comparatively. In evolution, nothing "morphs" into anything. In fact, the changes which occur are an ever present spectrum such that being a part of it, one could never "see" anything new occur.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Have you ever been to a museum and looked at the different skeletons of say - horse ancestors?

Wasn't it kind of interesting how they sort of changed over the years... All nice and orderly...

You can check this stuff online..

Just type "fossil record evolution" into Google..

You'll be amazed...


You're correct though... inanimate objects cannot evolve... Nor can they reproduce...

Organisms are not inanimate objects... And most of us rock at reproducing.... Biological directive

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

It is possible to view divergences over time...

Or even to speed up the process via selective breeding...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

"Imagine replacing a bone with the corresponding bone from a different creature. Would your hand work better with a raccoon thumb stuck on it, or the raccoon’s with yours? Instead, the length, width, size, shape, thickness, density, and angle of each bone’s facet makes a precise fit with its neighboring bone."

This is literally impossible according to the laws of evolution...

Nowhere, not once, has an evolutionist ever suggested such an absurd idea...

Creationists on the other hand...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

True. Trying to keep it simple.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Probably best

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Here's Simple.

Evolution is often upheld as proven fact. This is not truth! Two simple arguments from observational science demonstrate that evolution is impossible.

You’ve heard this claim before, probably hundreds of times: “Science has proven evolution is fact.” It’s a strange Darwinian chant that emanates from atheist blogs and secular universities.

It’s not true.

Refuting evolution doesn’t require complicated equations or lab experiments—though those will do the job, too. There are two fundamental flaws that show evolution to be not even scientifically viable.

1) Where did You Get Your Information?

Everything that makes up your body requires genetic information. You’ve got hands and feet because your genes code for it. The same is true for any creature — dogs, camels, gnats.

The genetic information in humans varies from the information in animals, plants, and so on.

Seems obvious, so why point it out?

For animal kind A to “presto-change-o” into animal kind B, the information has got to change. A fish doesn’t morph into an amphibian without something changing in the genes. It has to gain some new information.

When operational science—the kind involving observable, repeatable, testable results - is used, however, nothing has ever been observed, repeated, or able to test animal kind A turning into animal kind B - at all.

There is some genetic “do-si-do” going on through mutations and gene drift, but there is no way fish are going to sprout hair and opposable thumbs. If you think by “no way” we mean there is still a chance, there is not — none, zilch, nada, not going to happen.

What if billions of years and cool artistic renderings are added?

Still no.

The first point is devastating enough; here’s how evolution gets buried even deeper.

You’ve surely heard news accounts about how life could have started on earth “gazillions” of years ago in volcanoes, slush pools, crystals, rocks, you name it. Maybe you’ve heard something about “artificial” life or test-tube life or rotten-food-in-the-refrigerator life (maybe not the last one).

Those are all interesting speculations, but they overlook one important rule in biology: life doesn’t, cannot, and will never come from non-life.

2) Life comes from life. Always. That’s the law—the Law of Biogenesis, to be exact.

All these failed experiments, like the Miller-Urey experiment, really show just how much intelligence is required for life to begin in the first place. (That is, way smarter than we are.)

And Yet We’re Here!

Evolution can’t explain how humans came to be (or any other living thing, for that matter), so what can?

The Bible, God’s Word.

The Bible provides an eyewitness account of how the universe and all life came to be. There’s no speculation or strange interpretation needed. God created everything in six days a few thousand years ago. Simple. Factual.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The second of your arguments doesn't even deal with evolution... That's not simple... That's "simple"....



No... It's a factual claim supported by science and accepted by the majority of rational people... Including many Christians...



Thank God it doesn't require anything overly complicated... Took y'all a couple hundred years to accept that the world was round...



Proving once again you don't know what evolution is...

Fish didn't turn into amphibeans...

But some did branch off and transition... Which is why amphibeans and fish share DNA..

All life shares DNA... We can actually use the amount of similar DNA as a scale to see how long ago various species branched off...

For example... Humans share more DNA with apes that with monkeys... Showing that we branched off from monkeys before we branched off from apes...



Devastating is certainly the term I'd use.. Brutally so...



Gazillions? Nope... Never heard that..



Which has nothing to do with evolution...



That was a huge leap...

Evolution has never aytempted to explain the origins of life... Or why any particular species evolved... It does explain how species evolved...



Absolutely no speculation... Or interpretation... Or thought..

SIMPLE is the operative word...


PS: Without a sun how was a day defined?

Also... Days are getting longer as the earth's rotation slows... Seems even now the concept of a fixed amount of time equaling a day isn't constant...