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Nov 30, 2019 11:07:48   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
That is what Eastern Religious Mysticism teaches.

To test it, one may "believe" the street is clear, and walk into an 18 wheeler-Semi Truck.

The truth is the truth, even if neither of us were ever born and thus incapable of believing anything.

Hug wrote:
The truth is whatever you believe it to be.

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Nov 30, 2019 12:13:35   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Sew_What wrote:
Yea, lols coming from you:

To refute you about "the truth" lets consider the whistleblower, here are a few points to consider.

The whistleblower—or “whistleblower” if you prefer—filed a complaint with the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG), claiming to have it on good authority that President Trump had attempted to coerce Ukrainian President Zelenskyy into providing dirt on his (Trump’s) highest-polling political opponent for the 2020 presidential election, that he predicated continuation of foreign aid to Ukraine on that act from Zelesky, and that the White House had then attempted to conceal that evidence by placing the notes from the conversation on a server reserved for sensitive information:

-Donald Trump, the president, confirmed the whistleblower’s account. ??????
-Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, confirmed the whistleblower’s account. ??????
-Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House Chief of Staff, confirmed the whistleblower’s account. ??????
-Fiona Hill, the former top White House Russia advisor, confirmed the whistleblower’s account.
-Michael McKinley, former top aide to the Secretary of State, confirmed the whistleblower’s account.
-Gordon D. Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the EU, confirmed the whistleblower’s account.
-William Taylor, the senior U.S. diplomatic official in Ukraine, confirmed the whistleblower’s account.
-Laura Cooper, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia, confirmed the whistleblower’s account.
-Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council’s head of European Affairs, confirmed the whistleblower’s account. What did he lie about?

All of the above are facts.

Now with those in mind, let me answer your question by posing some other questions to consider.

1. What does “there is not an actual whistleblower accusing President Trump” even mean? Clearly, someone filed the complaint with the IGIC, who deemed it credible. Someone also wrote a letter outlining the complaint to Sen. Burr and Rep. Schiff. (We’ve all seen the letter.) Whoever wrote that letter is the whistleblower. If it was actually Schiff who wrote it, or actually the IGIC who wrote it, then that person is a whistleblower.
2. If “there is not an actual whistleblower accusing President Trump,” then so what? Who wrote the letter, and who filed the complaint, and indeed whether anyone did, is at this point irrelevant. The credibility of the “whistleblower’s” claims is not in question: His claims have not only been confirmed, they have been confirmed by the president himself. There is no longer any hearsay: Lt. Col. Vindman was listening in on the president’s call with Zelenskyy and agrees with what the whistleblower says about it. (For that matter, the summary of the call that the president himself released also agrees with what the whistleblower says about it.)

So to summarize: it’s awfully hard to make a case that a whistleblower doesn’t exist, and if they don’t, it doesn’t matter, because everything that non-person said has been proven true several times over.
Yea, lols coming from you: br br To refute you ab... (show quote)


You should realize that none of the witness's claim President had committed a crime. Or did you miss that in the five days of testifying before the public? None of these witness's eveer said Trump had committed a crime!

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Nov 30, 2019 12:16:30   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Hug wrote:
The truth is whatever you believe it to be.


So, if you believe the sky is red and not blue, then that is your truth. but not really the truth in any sense of the word.

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Nov 30, 2019 14:31:49   #
okie don
 
Hug wrote:
If you read in the paper, or hear on the news that Olif had a car wreck yesterday, but Olif does not exist and there was really not a car wreck yesterday, the fact is for you that Olif had a car wreck yesterday. Yes, facts are often just made up.


Yep, with CIA people watching the media. JFK wanted to.disband CIA 56 yrs ago. They work for the Rothschield bankers...(:

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Nov 30, 2019 14:32:43   #
okie don
 
Yep a CIA ' Conspiracy Theory' right?

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Nov 30, 2019 16:25:12   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Fodaoson wrote:
I usually post my opinion on opp. Sometimes my opinion is influenced by my politics. On occasions my opinion is supported by facts, most often the expressed opinion is supported by my politics. If I am shown that the facts do not support me, I can change my opinion without changing my politics. Opinion can be based on one or a few facts while politics are bed on a wide range of ideas and facts. We can disagree on opinion but facts tend to be unchangeable. Supposed facts can be misstated or made up completely
I usually post my opinion on opp. Sometimes my opi... (show quote)


Facts can be misstated but made up? That's what fact-checkers who I have little regard for watch.

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Nov 30, 2019 18:45:31   #
fullspinzoo
 
Louie27 wrote:
You should realize that none of the witness's claim President had committed a crime. Or did you miss that in the five days of testifying before the public? None of these witness's eveer said Trump had committed a crime!


He must have missed that part. But you're absolutely right.

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Nov 30, 2019 18:55:25   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
That is what Eastern Religious Mysticism teaches.

To test it, one may "believe" the street is clear, and walk into an 18 wheeler-Semi Truck.

The truth is the truth, even if neither of us were ever born and thus incapable of believing anything.


Think this is truth vs reality...

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Nov 30, 2019 18:55:48   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Louie27 wrote:
So, if you believe the sky is red and not blue, then that is your truth. but not really the truth in any sense of the word.


Reality vs truth...

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Dec 1, 2019 09:11:21   #
Hug
 
When this country goes Socialist/Communist and a federal agent sticks a gun to the back of your head and pulls the trigger, you will learn the truth. You last thought could be "Why did I vote for the Socialist candidate?"

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Dec 1, 2019 09:57:30   #
okie don
 
How about:" Papers Please"

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Dec 1, 2019 13:00:24   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Canuckus, you're straining at a gnat and swallowing a giraffe.


Reality
n.
The quality or state of being actual or true.
n.
One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual.
n.
The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

Truth
Definition of truth
1a(1) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
(2) : the state of being the case : fact
(3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true
truths of thermodynamics
c : the body of true statements and propositions
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition



Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Think this is truth vs reality...

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Dec 1, 2019 13:04:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
Canuckus, you're straining at a gnat and swallowing a giraffe.


Reality
n.
The quality or state of being actual or true.
n.
One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual.
n.
The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

Truth
Definition of truth
1a(1) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
(2) : the state of being the case : fact
(3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true
truths of thermodynamics
c : the body of true statements and propositions
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
Canuckus, you're straining at a gnat and swallowin... (show quote)


Gnats and Camel are both dishes I have yet to try...

Wouldn't mind giving either a shot..


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Dec 1, 2019 14:12:33   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Would you like to know what the definition of "is" is?


Read that preceding post again, please.

I said nothing about camels.

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Gnats and Camel are both dishes I have yet to try...

Wouldn't mind giving either a shot..


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Dec 1, 2019 15:27:10   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
It seems to me that many posters on OPP believe that their view point is the only correct one. Any disagreement on any minuet point brings on fire and brimstone. Even if a post is backed with facts from reliable sources if it disputes another post the poster is treated with disdain. Rather than having a learning experience it is taken as personal offense

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