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Here's How The GOP Defines The Difference Between Fact And Unsubstantiated Rhetoric
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Nov 26, 2019 18:50:27   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Do you know what crowdstrike is, who owns it and what they do?


I do. Do you?

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Nov 26, 2019 18:52:44   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I was not aware that CrowdStrike gave a copy of the server to the FBI....which is a headscratcher, why didn't they turn over the server? It was decommissioned and removed from the platform, served no purpose other than to collect dust. My opinion, wherever this server is, it needs to be found and reviewed by computer experts compiled of FBI, NSA, and a third party that is not CrowdStrike (hopefully a company that did not have a dog in the campaign fight). But, like the killary basement email servers while Sec of State, it has probably been destroyed.
I was not aware that CrowdStrike gave a copy of th... (show quote)


Probably so. And IF the FBI had a copy, why didn't they report that they confirmed what Crowdstike had to say about it? And why didn't anyone ask?? Curiuser and curiuser!

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Nov 26, 2019 19:48:39   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
You seem to be worried about honesty...


Trump gets audited every year. You seem sure there is something wrong with his taxes even though the professionals at the IRS have found nothing. Where did you get the idea you are smarter than them?

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Nov 27, 2019 02:33:39   #
Kevyn
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You just don't like it because it's Trump and he's going to nail the corrupt arrangement between Burisma and the Biden's. LOL! you don't like him any way kevy, he's a white guy!

Biden is a white guy also, just not a traitorous criminal like your idiot Pumpkinfuhrer, AKA Donny five chins.

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Nov 27, 2019 05:47:18   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
woodguru wrote:
The Mueller report listed multiple facts and witnesses corroborating Russian interference, this is an established fact...in fact the republican led senate report verified it as well.


Well I hate to burst everyone's bubble but WE also interfere in other countries elections among other things I definitely don't approve but how do you make sure everyone stops

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Nov 27, 2019 06:51:39   #
teabag09
 
woodguru wrote:
I am one of those who thinks and knows that good foreign policy comes from a state department and the intelligence community, as well as the pentagon, and a president that trusts all of the mentioned parts of the mechanism that he should be listening to and trusting, rather than having a "foreign policy" if you can call it that that is entirely against the national interests in all regards.

It remains to be seen why trump put so much of a priority on already completely debunked BS to withhold military aid from the Ukraine, but whatever his "reasons", the effect was to do Putin a huge favor in the Ukraine not having anti tank weapons in time for them attacking the eastern Ukraine.

What trump did in withholding aid outside of official channels that circumvented the wishes of congress was likely done illegally, and the staffers responsible for expediting funds knew it, and reports were sent through channels trying to stop it.

Yes a president is heavily responsible for foreign policies, but also for staying within official channels and adhering to the rules and law. We do not have a king, we have a president and there are rules and guidelines for him to stay within.
I am one of those who thinks and knows that good f... (show quote)


You hit the nail on the head in your first paragraph, a President that TRUSTS all of the mentioned parts of the mechanism, that's the problem, he doesn't and rightfully so trust them. Mike

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Nov 27, 2019 07:29:44   #
Cuda2020
 
woodguru wrote:
Perfectly spelled out by one of the top five most moronic republican senators...John Kennedy of Louisiana
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/25/ukraine-election-meddling-theory-continues/4296544002/

After making a statement that has actually been debunked regarding Ukrainian election interference, here is how he decides between rhetoric and intelligence information, the interviewer stated that intelligence says it was Russia, not the Ukraine, and that actually it was a Russian fueled idea that it was Ukraine...

Kennedy says, "it could have been Ukraine, I don't know and neither do you"...

So, despite being fully briefed by intelligence and having the official record set straight for them, we see GOP politicians peddle their rhetoric to the public. The logic expressed by saying if they've heard two sets of information, one from intelligence and the other pulled out of debunked conspiracy theories, and they can't make the intelligent choice between the two, they need to keep it to themselves, not peddle it to millions of ignorant people.

The republican party is literally selling the propaganda that russia did not meddle, it was Ukraine that did. This is seriously dangerous territory when the party can't differentiate between the rhetoric and the facts. There is way too much light here between the facts and the things we know are not.

As trump has openly said to his loyal followers, pay attention to what I say, not what the media says
Perfectly spelled out by one of the top five most ... (show quote)


And they Obey

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Nov 27, 2019 07:41:23   #
Cuda2020
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Well, Ukraine is investigating it anyway. LOLOL! I am sure Manifort can corroborate some of it.

And, for the ten thousandth time, if some one claims to know where a hack originated by looking at the systems involved, then they don't actually know. Hackers can make hacks look like they came from your own back yard. LOL! Thus, we do NOT know Ukraine was not involved in hacking and we do NOT know Russia did the hacking. Last I heard, no source offered, there were 7 countries involved in hacking into our election, none of which involved changing votes or altering numbers.

Your facts that the GOP facts are no good is just good evidence that YOUR facts are no good.
Well, Ukraine is investigating it anyway. LOLOL! ... (show quote)


What Trump has done, is publically discredited OUR OWN intelligence, never in our history has any president tried to malign our own services. People who have work dedicatedly hard and diliglently to our country. Rather he supports the intel of our adversary, now, if that somehow makes sense to you, you need to seek help. The writing is on the wall as big as life, all one has to do, is read it.

it is a lie to say we don't know, we DO know.

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Nov 27, 2019 07:44:03   #
Cuda2020
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Trump gets audited every year. You seem sure there is something wrong with his taxes even though the professionals at the IRS have found nothing. Where did you get the idea you are smarter than them?


From him hiding them, that's where I got the idea. Everything on the up and up, = nothing to hide. 2+2=4

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Nov 27, 2019 12:41:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
teabag09 wrote:
You hit the nail on the head in your first paragraph, a President that TRUSTS all of the mentioned parts of the mechanism, that's the problem, he doesn't and rightfully so trust them. Mike


We can see how that is true now. They obviously could not be trusted.

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Nov 27, 2019 13:03:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
What Trump has done, is publically discredited OUR OWN intelligence, never in our history has any president tried to malign our own services. People who have work dedicatedly hard and diliglently to our country. Rather he supports the intel of our adversary, now, if that somehow makes sense to you, you need to seek help. The writing is on the wall as big as life, all one has to do, is read it.

it is a lie to say we don't know, we DO know.


Guys like Comey, McCabe and Strzok discredited themselves and now the rest of the FBI is having to rebuild that trust and credibility. It's the same with Brennan and the CIA. Trump has just exposed them and is willing to call a spade a spade. It's why we like him, even if we don't like him personally.

Y'all want to claim he has weakened us by discrediting them but it's just the opposite. In correcting what idiots like Comey and Brennana have done, they will once again become the trusted agencies they once were, although, I think the CIA might need to be shut down.

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Nov 27, 2019 13:54:29   #
woodguru
 
I noticed last night where Kennedy completely walked back his statement and said definitively that Russia, not the Ukraine, did in fact interfere in our election.

Praise the lord, Hallelujah, a republican saw a ray of fact and truth.

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Nov 27, 2019 13:59:14   #
woodguru
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:

it is a lie to say we don't know, we DO know.

This thing of not wanting to know the facts so that ignorance can be feigned has been ramped up into a higher gear...

We don't know for sure...so it could be. This kind of willful and pure ignorance needs to be an impeachable offense. If a senator can listen to an intelligence briefing that lays out classified intel and facts and they come away saying they heard an idiotic conspiracy theory that has been debunked so they don't know? They need to be removed from office.

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Nov 27, 2019 17:39:48   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Do us all a favor, kevy and stop referring to the Russians as adversaries. Ooops, you'll think I am demanding that you stop. I take it back!


Oh their bullshit again. Heads down!

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Nov 27, 2019 18:37:39   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
What Trump has done, is publically discredited OUR OWN intelligence, never in our history has any president tried to malign our own services. People who have work dedicatedly hard and diliglently to our country. Rather he supports the intel of our adversary, now, if that somehow makes sense to you, you need to seek help. The writing is on the wall as big as life, all one has to do, is read it.

it is a lie to say we don't know, we DO know.


He didnt but the system and the agencys did you would rather have a bunch of political driven agents in the FBI come on the system has become corrupt and needs to be cleaned out if you look the players have been working in concert for years from Comey
/Clinton /Muller/Rosenstein/all have been working together for years

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