woodguru

Perfectly spelled out by one of the top five most moronic republican senators...John Kennedy of Louisiana
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/25/ukraine-e******n-meddling-theory-continues/4296544002/

After making a statement that has actually been debunked regarding Ukrainian e******n i**********e, here is how he decides between rhetoric and intelligence information, the interviewer stated that intelligence says it was Russia, not the Ukraine, and that actually it was a Russian fueled idea that it was Ukraine...

Kennedy says, "it could have been Ukraine, I don't know and neither do you"...

So, despite being fully briefed by intelligence and having the official record set straight for them, we see GOP politicians peddle their rhetoric to the public. The logic expressed by saying if they've heard two sets of information, one from intelligence and the other pulled out of debunked conspiracy theories, and they can't make the intelligent choice between the two, they need to keep it to themselves, not peddle it to millions of ignorant people.

The republican party is literally selling the propaganda that russia did not meddle, it was Ukraine that did. This is seriously dangerous territory when the party can't differentiate between the rhetoric and the facts. There is way too much light here between the facts and the things we know are not.

As trump has openly said to his loyal followers, pay attention to what I say, not what the media says

Kevyn

The sad thing is the republicans are selling propaganda created by our adversaries the Russians. The resident asswipe on FOX news, Sean Hannity said he hoped Russia would prevail over our friends in Ukraine. How he is not fired for this is beyond me.

Airforceone

Here’s the republicans made simple.

Trump/ Republicans the Ukraine hacked our e******ns. Totally debunked

Now Trump tells his ignorant supporters pay attention to what I say and stop listening to the media.

All the media is doing is reporting the facts that got released from our intelligence Agencies.

But the ignorance on the right continues.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Well, Ukraine is investigating it anyway. LOLOL! I am sure Manifort can corroborate some of it.

And, for the ten thousandth time, if some one claims to know where a hack originated by looking at the systems involved, then they don't actually know. Hackers can make hacks look like they came from your own back yard. LOL! Thus, we do NOT know Ukraine was not involved in hacking and we do NOT know Russia did the hacking. Last I heard, no source offered, there were 7 countries involved in hacking into our e******n, none of which involved changing v**es or altering numbers.

Your facts that the GOP facts are no good is just good evidence that YOUR facts are no good.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Do us all a favor, kevy and stop referring to the Russians as adversaries. Ooops, you'll think I am demanding that you stop. I take it back!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

The propaganda of the dems says Trump "demanded" something from Ukraine. It says there was nothing corrupt about the Biden/Burisma connection. I must admit, that is, indeed, PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!

federally indicted mattoid

I think thou dost protest too much :)

Kevyn

I feel that is better than enemies but you are right there is no need to mince words.

woodguru

The Mueller report listed multiple facts and witnesses corroborating Russian interference, this is an established fact...in fact the republican led senate report verified it as well.

federally indicted mattoid

Indeed

woodguru

Russians are adversaries, except to Trump and alt patriots...
Russia was sanctioned over invading and taking other countries by force, which they are doing in the Ukraine as well. Russia is obviously the enemy of the Ukraine, and the US and NATO are their allies helping to defend against their enemy. This makes Russia an adversary if not enemy by proxy.

Trump is a t*****r by definition, guilty of treason helping Russia rather than the Ukraine, and there are other indicators of where trump interests do not align with national interests at all. He is attracted or identifies with the dictators of the world and seems to repulse and repel our democratic allies.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You over simplify Ukraine. There are a huge number of Russian nationals in Russia and to be honest, eastern Ukraine is essentially Russia now as is Crimea. The internal struggles have to do with very complex issues and saying Russia is an enemy of Ukraine, discounts nearly half the area. Undoing so many years of being a part of the Soviet Union doesn't happen over night and doesn't please everyone.

The rest of your post isn't worth the effort to discuss with you. Get an education.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

True, the Russians did place some political ads but there were a great number aimed at hurting Trump as well as hurting Hillary. Big deal. If we are swayed by meme's and forum posers, then we are lost anyway.

What Mueller didn't look at is what is now being looked at. Mueller did a selective investigation and ignored some very telling evidence. We will have it out soon.

Best way to avoid outside interference in the e******n is to educate yourself. And as much as we interfere in other countries e******ns, we really have no room to talk about others trying to gain from ours.

Had there been any evidence of v**es changing as in being altered in the counts/ballat boxes, that would be a difference story but any of that is more likely from within, not from without.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Are you also one of those who thinks foreign policy isn't a prerogative of the president?? Ms Fiona and Mr Vindman both seem to think they dictate foreign policy and the president had better just shut up and go along. They are far from the t***h.

http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-170508-1.html

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Ms Hill is stuck in the 50s, poor thing. Second, the Ukraine did their best to sabatoge our e******ns and finally, the Mueller report is significantly flawed. Yes, there was a russian troll farm who bought ads AFTER the e******n according to Facebook. However, they are fighting back in our courts....and winning. Yes, bad press about clinton spread over the Social media....this is fact. But, what you are ignoring is within the muller repot, he admitted that it is DOUBTFUL that any of this changed even one v**e. Regardless of how we learned of the contents and motives of the DNC as outlined in their emails, they were running a tainted campaign. And don't get me started on CrowdStrike; their misleading and subersive claims and their history of blaming Russia for malware and having to walk back those claims.