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Nov 9, 2019 18:03:15   #
JediKnight
 
Louie27 wrote:
First of there was no recording. The transcript had to go in the lock box because of many other things said in the White House has been leaked to the media and this transcript should be put in a safe place. As I have said before, if you have had things stolen from your place wouldn't you them put in a much safer place so no one could steal them. What said evidence, is coming out of he Roger Stone trial? Just another false allegation of another Trump supporter. And sending so many armed people in the middle of the night to arrest him. That was purely for show by the Mueller investigators. You are so right. The lies told by the Dems and complicit MSM have been too numerous to have had a correct count of them. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you right in the face and that has happened too many times to count. For being such a Christian you seem to keep repeating the false allegations the Dems have put forward. There has been no conclusive proof of any crime by Trump. You should keep that in mind before making allegations. Just feelings by a number of those having made a report to the Kangaroo court by shifty Schiff only their interpretation of what they have seen or heard. With Schiff having the say about what the Republicans can ask a witness and Schiff has the soul discretion of who the Republican's can call as a witness is absurd and against all of our court laws.
First of there was no recording. The transcript ha... (show quote)


WOW! Louie, you have just convinced me that you are as delusional as Trump and Radiance3! Once again you confirm for me that miracles do indeed happen everyday! But no worries mate, keep your head in the sand if you desire, but doing so will not change the truth....your guy is tainted. period.

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Nov 11, 2019 10:44:40   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JediKnight wrote:
WOW! Louie, you have just convinced me that you are as delusional as Trump and Radiance3! Once again you confirm for me that miracles do indeed happen everyday! But no worries mate, keep your head in the sand if you desire, but doing so will not change the truth....your guy is tainted. period.


If I am delusional you are have already been committed to the asylum for mentally unbalanced individuals. Hope you have fun with all of the other inmates.

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Nov 12, 2019 10:21:58   #
JediKnight
 
Louie27 wrote:
If I am delusional you are have already been committed to the asylum for mentally unbalanced individuals. Hope you have fun with all of the other inmates.


Yep....just what I would expect a delusional type to say....I'm really praying hard for you Louie!

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Nov 12, 2019 12:21:07   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JediKnight wrote:
Yep....just what I would expect a delusional type to say....I'm really praying hard for you Louie!


I don't need your prayers Jedi. I pray for those on the left that don't see the truth that is right in front of them. I guess you don't remember in the scriptures, John 8:7,where it states "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her". That is what you and the progressive left have to learn. I need to say no more.

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Nov 12, 2019 12:28:12   #
JediKnight
 
Louie27 wrote:
I don't need your prayers Jedi. I pray for those on the left that don't see the truth that is right in front of them. I guess you don't remember in the scriptures, John 8:7,where it states "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her". That is what you and the progressive left have to learn. I need to say no more.


Louie: one of the great things about prayers - you may believe you don't need them - you may even feel that you don't want them - but neither that belief nor that feeling can stop someone from praying for you anyway!

Yes, I know John's words very well. You may also want to consider Peter's words in Galatians 6:

"Do not be deceived for God is not mocked. Whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

You may do well to keep that in mind the next time you get the urge to blindly defend and support a man who is a known thief, adulterer, narcissist, and con man.

Jesus taught, "You will know my disciples by the fruit they produce." In my opinion, what Trump is producing is not what Jesus had in mind. Good day to you!

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Nov 12, 2019 12:45:22   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JediKnight wrote:
Louie: one of the great things about prayers - you may believe you don't need them - you may even feel that you don't want them - but neither that belief nor that feeling can stop someone from praying for you anyway!

Yes, I know John's words very well. You may also want to consider Peter's words in Galatians 6:

"Do not be deceived for God is not mocked. Whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

You may do well to keep that in mind the next time you get the urge to blindly defend and support a man who is a known thief, adulterer, narcissist, and con man.

Jesus taught, "You will know my disciples by the fruit they produce." In my opinion, what Trump is producing is not what Jesus had in mind. Good day to you!
Louie: one of the great things about prayers - you... (show quote)


I never blindly defended Trump. I defend his policies to help this country move forward with programs that are improving the lives of most Americans. There have been incidents in his past, that have not been Godly, but believe he has asked the Lord for his redemption and has become a better man. He still has flaws like all of us, except for a few the believe their opinion is all that matters, to heck with the truth. Those on the left have said Trump called all illegals murderers and rapists. but what he actually said there are some that are of that class not all illegals. At the time of Jesus there sere towns with walls to protect the citizens of that community. Did Jesus ever state that there should never be walls around a community or state. I don't believe I have ever seen that in the bible. Your opinion has little respect when speaking of the truth. I also know you don't respect my view of this country, but don't want this country to become a country, such as Venezuela. Where the elite are in control.

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Nov 12, 2019 17:08:01   #
JediKnight
 
Louie27 wrote:
I never blindly defended Trump. I defend his policies to help this country move forward with programs that are improving the lives of most Americans. There have been incidents in his past, that have not been Godly, but believe he has asked the Lord for his redemption and has become a better man. He still has flaws like all of us, except for a few the believe their opinion is all that matters, to heck with the truth. Those on the left have said Trump called all illegals murderers and rapists. but what he actually said there are some that are of that class not all illegals. At the time of Jesus there sere towns with walls to protect the citizens of that community. Did Jesus ever state that there should never be walls around a community or state. I don't believe I have ever seen that in the bible. Your opinion has little respect when speaking of the truth. I also know you don't respect my view of this country, but don't want this country to become a country, such as Venezuela. Where the elite are in control.
I never blindly defended Trump. I defend his polic... (show quote)


So are you now saying that you "defend Trump with eyes wide open?" If you defend 'his policies' you are in fact defending him Louie -and you know the bible - remember it says "...a man cannot serve two masters...he will love the one and hate the other....?"
Louie, in the military it is taught that "there are few things more worthy than honor and integrity." We know Trump missed those valuable lessons because he took five military deferments.

Louie, where do you get the notion that Trump has "asked the Lord for redemption?" One thing common in Christian doctrine across the world is: "once you repent from your sins, you must make serious effort to not repeat those sins...." Every time Trump tells another whopper lie, covers it up, and then blames it on someone else is proof that he has not repented. Yes, I pray for his soul each day, as I do for all people. Yet, I am not convinced that Trump even really knows the Lord, so thinking he has repented is a long ways off for me.
The "walls" in the bible were built to keep "the enemy" out -those who would seek to enter the city and rape, pillage, and murder like thieves. Your comparison of Trump's racist wall to those walls in the bible is simply not the same. Further, those walls in the OT were built centuries before Jesus came to show mankind "the way, the truth, and the life." You seem to want to mix certain necessities from the OT with the certainty of the NT.....trying to serve two masters....it doesn't work.

Anyway, the point I would like to make is this: if I take money from a thief -then I'm a thief -even if I didn't steal the money. If I deliberately abuse others with my words - I am an abuser. If I lie, repeatedly and continuously, for self enhancement -I am a liar. Now, are you willing to say that with all of those flaws, if I do one thing good (like giving a trillion dollar tax break to the richest and most wealthiest in the country) that makes me a good person worthy of your loyalty?

Please tell me that isn't so Louie....because if it is, you have sold yourself cheap. and that is sad.

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Nov 13, 2019 16:22:54   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JediKnight wrote:
So are you now saying that you "defend Trump with eyes wide open?" If you defend 'his policies' you are in fact defending him Louie -and you know the bible - remember it says "...a man cannot serve two masters...he will love the one and hate the other....?"
Louie, in the military it is taught that "there are few things more worthy than honor and integrity." We know Trump missed those valuable lessons because he took five military deferments.

Louie, where do you get the notion that Trump has "asked the Lord for redemption?" One thing common in Christian doctrine across the world is: "once you repent from your sins, you must make serious effort to not repeat those sins...." Every time Trump tells another whopper lie, covers it up, and then blames it on someone else is proof that he has not repented. Yes, I pray for his soul each day, as I do for all people. Yet, I am not convinced that Trump even really knows the Lord, so thinking he has repented is a long ways off for me.
The "walls" in the bible were built to keep "the enemy" out -those who would seek to enter the city and rape, pillage, and murder like thieves. Your comparison of Trump's racist wall to those walls in the bible is simply not the same. Further, those walls in the OT were built centuries before Jesus came to show mankind "the way, the truth, and the life." You seem to want to mix certain necessities from the OT with the certainty of the NT.....trying to serve two masters....it doesn't work.

Anyway, the point I would like to make is this: if I take money from a thief -then I'm a thief -even if I didn't steal the money. If I deliberately abuse others with my words - I am an abuser. If I lie, repeatedly and continuously, for self enhancement -I am a liar. Now, are you willing to say that with all of those flaws, if I do one thing good (like giving a trillion dollar tax break to the richest and most wealthiest in the country) that makes me a good person worthy of your loyalty?

Please tell me that isn't so Louie....because if it is, you have sold yourself cheap. and that is sad.
So are you now saying that you "defend Trump ... (show quote)


Let us skip all of the other insults and get right down to just one issue. Where is your proof that Trumps walls for our country are racist. True, there are many different race's that want into this country and do it illegally. There are also the same races of people that choose to enter legally. Is there a difference in the way they enter this country? Secondly, should we let every person, of all colors and races enter this country with no forethought of how they will help this country to prosper. No we shouldn't!There are Americans of all races that haven't had a good education and then these illegals take jobs these Americans could have had. There is a legal way to enter this country like many others but you progressives only want them in this country to provide the next generation of Democratic voters to eventually control all of the government? That would lead us to become another failed state where the elite will have all of the control. Your and my children, grand children and great grand children will be the ones to suffer under those conditions. Did you even learn about socialism and communism when school? I haven't sold myself out to anyone. If there is actual proof that Trump has really committed a crime while in office, I will have to denounce him for that crime, but not before. I pray that you have a great day and stop regurgitating some false allegations you have posted.

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Nov 13, 2019 16:24:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
How about if he pays attention to it's now being called a bribe, a thug shakedown?

But no, he won't even pay attention to what is coming out.


He was referring to Joe Biden and the Obama Administration!

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Nov 13, 2019 16:43:45   #
JediKnight
 
Louie27 wrote:
Let us skip all of the other insults and get right down to just one issue. Where is your proof that Trumps walls for our country are racist. True, there are many different race's that want into this country and do it illegally. There are also the same races of people that choose to enter legally. Is there a difference in the way they enter this country? Secondly, should we let every person, of all colors and races enter this country with no forethought of how they will help this country to prosper. No we shouldn't!There are Americans of all races that haven't had a good education and then these illegals take jobs these Americans could have had. There is a legal way to enter this country like many others but you progressives only want them in this country to provide the next generation of Democratic voters to eventually control all of the government? That would lead us to become another failed state where the elite will have all of the control. Your and my children, grand children and great grand children will be the ones to suffer under those conditions. Did you even learn about socialism and communism when school? I haven't sold myself out to anyone. If there is actual proof that Trump has really committed a crime while in office, I will have to denounce him for that crime, but not before. I pray that you have a great day and stop regurgitating some false allegations you have posted.
Let us skip all of the other insults and get right... (show quote)


Louie: I believe Trump's wall is racist because its intent is to "keep people out' -and with Trump it doesn't matter if they are fleeing poverty, violence, etc., it depends on their skin color. Trump said he "wants immigrants from Norway." The walls built in the Old Testament were to keep out enemy armies that sought to take over the country -those walls had nothing to do with immigration. Even the Bible tells us in several places: "Do not forsake doing good to the immigrants who live amongst you, you were once immigrants...and I am the Lord thy God." So, on that alone, Trump is defying God.

You are overlooking the numerous amount of good things that have come to America through immigration. Most of the 'modern day' inventions we all benefit from were created by minorities. The group of Pilgrims that landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620 were kept alive that first winter thanks to the generosity of Native Indians who taught the Pilgrims how to ice fish, plant corn, and use virtually every part of a killed animal to survive. Those Pilgrims were in fact IMMIGRANTS.

Of course I studied socialism and communism in school. You complain about those concepts. Do you take advantage of Social Security or Medicare? If so, you are benefitting from "socialist" programs. If you truly understand the bible, and how God intended that man should live, you would think God is a socialist....read the 2nd chapter in the Book of Acts about how the first church of God was began.

There has been more than enough "proof" of Trump's crimes. Go back to ordering Cohen to pay off Stormy and Karen McDougal....with campaign money...that is a crime. Installing your family members into paid positions in the WH is nepotism -not sure if that is an actual crime, but its damned unethical. And today republicans in Congress are questioning "what qualifications did Hunter Biden have to get such a great job with Burisma?" Apparently, Hunter has more qualifications than either Ivanka or Jared - but I don't hear one republican questioning why are they in the WH?

Taking money from the taxpayers for personal benefit is also unethical and illegal. Every time Trump has foreign dignitaries, his staff members, and Secret Service stay at one of his own properties -Trump is benefitting - illegally. Every time Trump sends out a tweet pushing for or against certain companies or individuals he is affecting the markets. What do you suppose is the possibility that Trump pushes for companies that he can benefit from? Surely he's not dumb enough to push for something that would hurt him -like say - a universal flat hotel room fee? Surely not.
I've said many times that your choice is your choice. However, it only makes good sense to consider that you may have fallen for the biggest con game in this century....apparently, millions did.

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Nov 14, 2019 12:26:02   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JediKnight wrote:
Louie: I believe Trump's wall is racist because its intent is to "keep people out' -and with Trump it doesn't matter if they are fleeing poverty, violence, etc., it depends on their skin color. Trump said he "wants immigrants from Norway." The walls built in the Old Testament were to keep out enemy armies that sought to take over the country -those walls had nothing to do with immigration. Even the Bible tells us in several places: "Do not forsake doing good to the immigrants who live amongst you, you were once immigrants...and I am the Lord thy God." So, on that alone, Trump is defying God.

You are overlooking the numerous amount of good things that have come to America through immigration. Most of the 'modern day' inventions we all benefit from were created by minorities. The group of Pilgrims that landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620 were kept alive that first winter thanks to the generosity of Native Indians who taught the Pilgrims how to ice fish, plant corn, and use virtually every part of a killed animal to survive. Those Pilgrims were in fact IMMIGRANTS.

Of course I studied socialism and communism in school. You complain about those concepts. Do you take advantage of Social Security or Medicare? If so, you are benefitting from "socialist" programs. If you truly understand the bible, and how God intended that man should live, you would think God is a socialist....read the 2nd chapter in the Book of Acts about how the first church of God was began.

There has been more than enough "proof" of Trump's crimes. Go back to ordering Cohen to pay off Stormy and Karen McDougal....with campaign money...that is a crime. Installing your family members into paid positions in the WH is nepotism -not sure if that is an actual crime, but its damned unethical. And today republicans in Congress are questioning "what qualifications did Hunter Biden have to get such a great job with Burisma?" Apparently, Hunter has more qualifications than either Ivanka or Jared - but I don't hear one republican questioning why are they in the WH?

Taking money from the taxpayers for personal benefit is also unethical and illegal. Every time Trump has foreign dignitaries, his staff members, and Secret Service stay at one of his own properties -Trump is benefitting - illegally. Every time Trump sends out a tweet pushing for or against certain companies or individuals he is affecting the markets. What do you suppose is the possibility that Trump pushes for companies that he can benefit from? Surely he's not dumb enough to push for something that would hurt him -like say - a universal flat hotel room fee? Surely not.
I've said many times that your choice is your choice. However, it only makes good sense to consider that you may have fallen for the biggest con game in this century....apparently, millions did.
Louie: I believe Trump's wall is racist because it... (show quote)


There you go again with only your supposition of what Trump meant. He only used Norway as an illustration. What the Lord our God spoke of was meant for us as individuals and not as nations. If you have retained any Godly knowledge it was said that we should abide by the Lords laws and those of man. It seems you only retain what you want to hear and retain. The good thing you mention of good things are from legal immigrants that invented many new products that have helped our country become more prosperous and giving than any other country in the world. Your quote "do not forsake immigrants who live amongst you". That was said in a much earlier time in this world when there were no laws about immigration into and out of countries. By denying admission of illegal immigrants without going thru the proper procedure's is the law of the land, which the Lord has said we must obey.
In the next paragraph about Social Security and Medicare, most have paid for the insurance with our own money paid over all the years we have worked. That isn't something given to us, we have paid for those with our personal sweat, toil and dedication to the jobs we had held. Socialism is something given to one without any input by those people, it isn't welfare. I worked for those benefits for fifty one years and others, in this country have worked many years to have those benefits provided to us. Socialism is where the government provides for you no matter if you work or don't work,
As for your next little piece of BS. Trump may have had Cohen pay off those two women, but it hasn't been proven he used any campaign money. If that had been so it would have been found in the campaign books that had to be kept on donations and expenditures by the campaign. Not found to be true for now.
If you have had any knowledge and tried to find out if either of Trumps relatives are paid a salary by our government you would have learned they aren't paid a cent by the government.
Next, for a fact, do you know if Trump is paid by the government for any of his staff or secret service that stays at his resorts. From what I have read, it is stated if any President receives any monies, over and above what he receives as a wage for his Presidency, for any stays on any of his properties, he has to include that in his tax reports. Since he receives no monies for being the President he has no income from the U. S..
As for Jared and Ivanka I have read they receive no pay, if that is incorrect please inform me where to find the correct information. Jared and Ivanka have proven to be a good business minded people with the individual endeavors they have done. Jared was one of the people that worked on the trade deal with Mexico and Canada. That couldn't be said for Hunter Biden is he has been a dope head and has had other problems. You can't say the same things about Jared and Ivanka. Do you have any facts to point to that shows Trump uses his tweets to provide him profit. I don't believe that is the case. So once again you seem to cast aspersions upon Trump with no facts.
One last statement by me. You keep stating Trump has committed many crimes, but none of what he has been accused, has been proven to be true. We and I mean all Americans keep hearing Trump has committed crimes but with over three years none of the accusation's has been proven to have been true. The Dems have moved from one thing to another time after another when having lost on a point. They stated they wanted Trump impeached Just after he was sworn in as President and even before he had won the nomination. They have been searching for a crime, in their minds, any crime will do whether true or false. They should have had proof before they even started an investigation, but proof was only in their politically aligned agenda.

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Nov 14, 2019 13:40:51   #
JediKnight
 
Louie: I would really like to respond to your post paragraph for paragraph. However, it has occurred to me once again that you have totally bought into Trump's façade, and there is little chance that you will ever consider anything other than what Trump tells you - so sad - because at times you actually sound like someone who is an intelligent, thinking, feeling human being.

I could easily tear down each point you made in your post, but I know it will only fall on deliberately deaf ears. All I can say, at this time, is keep living, keep learning, and keep loving. Perhaps one day the Lord Himself will open your eyes and ears to the truth....at least that's my prayer for you.

May God bless and keep you (and family), may God make His face to shine upon you - my peace I give unto you. (kirk out!)

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Nov 14, 2019 13:49:30   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JediKnight wrote:
Louie: I would really like to respond to your post paragraph for paragraph. However, it has occurred to me once again that you have totally bought into Trump's façade, and there is little chance that you will ever consider anything other than what Trump tells you - so sad - because at times you actually sound like someone who is an intelligent, thinking, feeling human being.

I could easily tear down each point you made in your post, but I know it will only fall on deliberately deaf ears. All I can say, at this time, is keep living, keep learning, and keep loving. Perhaps one day the Lord Himself will open your eyes and ears to the truth....at least that's my prayer for you.

May God bless and keep you (and family), may God make His face to shine upon you - my peace I give unto you. (kirk out!)
Louie: I would really like to respond to your post... (show quote)


Talk about deaf ears!!

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Nov 14, 2019 16:11:13   #
JediKnight
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Talk about deaf ears!!


Yes, a common republican malady since around 1980 or so.

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Nov 14, 2019 16:57:14   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JediKnight wrote:
Louie: I would really like to respond to your post paragraph for paragraph. However, it has occurred to me once again that you have totally bought into Trump's façade, and there is little chance that you will ever consider anything other than what Trump tells you - so sad - because at times you actually sound like someone who is an intelligent, thinking, feeling human being.

I could easily tear down each point you made in your post, but I know it will only fall on deliberately deaf ears. All I can say, at this time, is keep living, keep learning, and keep loving. Perhaps one day the Lord Himself will open your eyes and ears to the truth....at least that's my prayer for you.

May God bless and keep you (and family), may God make His face to shine upon you - my peace I give unto you. (kirk out!)
Louie: I would really like to respond to your post... (show quote)


Please let me know, by actual facts that have been proven, where I have gone astray. I would like to know what and where you think my thoughts were incorrect. Not just your assumptions and fake accusations by the left. I think your talking points are not proven facts, but speculation of some sort. As of yet you haven't shown any proven facts about Trump while being President. Let us point out the fallacy's, you seem to point out. Number 1, Russia collusion, then Obstruction. If Mueller and his Trump hating investigators had found any positive truth about obstruction they would have indicted him and forget about the main Dem talking point, "the President can't be indicted while in office. That is a lie and proven in the bill Clinton investigation, by the investigator of Clintons case.
My God has blessed me many times and hope I don't think I have unjustly made comments. I may have but don't think so. You on the other hand, keep throwing out unproven facts as proven facts, without hesitation. May the Lord forgive you for that sin. Have a great day and enjoy this weekend.

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