[quote=TommyRadd]What happened to the spirit is a good question.
What I presume you are really asking is, "what happened to the spirit who was not officially promoted to his own individual personhood until the council of Constantinople in 381 AD, which was held by murderous, politically motivated, philosophically-minded, "clergymen" under the presidency of the Emperor of Rome, who was the legal heir of Satan’s throne on earth? You mean that "Spirit"?
“The Council of Constantinople [381AD] also
declared finally the Trinitarian doctrine of the equality of the Holy Spirit with the Father and the Son.”
https://www.britannica.com/event/First-Council-of-Constantinople-381 “The
biggest change they made to the creed from Nicaea was to extend the article about the Holy Spirit: In 325 the bishops had merely noted, “and [we believe] in the Holy Spirit.” But in 381 they added the wonderful language calling the Spirit “the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
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That language makes it clear that the Spirit is God, is ranked with the Father and the Son but is another person in distinction from them, and is one of the Trinity. But why didn’t the bishops assembled there use the word “homoousios” to assert the deity of the Spirit? Gregory of Nazianzus, who chaired the council for part of the time, argued that they should do so. But the consensus view was that the deity of the Spirit should be confessed in different terms. The inescapable fact that the Spirit is of one essence with the Father is not stated in those terms here. A longer ending was also added to the creed to make it a more comprehensive statement of faith quite comparable with the Apostle’s Creed.”
http://scriptoriumdaily.com/christ-and-the-spirit-at-constantinople-in-381/ As should be clear, they were still hammering out the doctrine, even in 381 AD!
It is thus, a man-made idol.
Jesus said you would know them by their fruit.
Have you not read this:
"1Dare any of you, having a matter against his neighbor, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2Don't you know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3Don't you know that we will judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4If then, you have to judge things pertaining to this life,
do you set them to judge who are of no account in the assembly? 5I say this to move you to shame. Isn't there even one wise man among you who would be able to decide between his brothers? 6But
brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers!7Therefore
it is already altogether a defect in you, that you have lawsuits one with another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8No, but [b]you yourselves do wrong[2b], and defraud, and that against your brothers." 1 Corinthians 6:1-8
Not only did the Trinitarians do wrong in going to the secular government (i.e. Constantine) to preside over the judgment of the case between Arius and Athanasius and their two conflicting trinitarian views, but they just happened to allow Satan's legal heir on earth to preside over the councils that determined and defined the Trinity doctrine and established it as a legally binding dogma that naysayers would be excommunicated, exiled, and even put to death for not believing!
How can any right-thinking Christian believe that is or was the way to arrive at biblical truth???
Once the Trinitarian priests had gone to Constantine, they began all manner of injustices against each other. The history of the period is full of scandals. but of course, hopefully at least being embarrassed by them, Trinitarians don't publicize them. But you'd be shocked at how nefarious they were...just like today’s politicians backstabbing and underhanded politics, riots, murders, you name it! And when they are confronted with the evil fruits of the framers of the Trinity doctrine, Trinitarians are dismissive, as if the ends justify the means. No, the amorality of the Trinitarians who defined the doctrine is just more evidence of its amorality. God is the one who determines morality and God's first commandment is that God is one He (not three "them"). Read Richard Rubinstein's book: "When Jesus Became God" for a good education on the complete lack of morals of these degenerates who gave you "the Trinity doctrine". These are the degenerates who elevated the Spirit to a coequal person in the godhead as one of their "crowning achievements".
By their fruits you shall know them!
Beware of people who are more infatuated with the religion men have created than they are of the God they claim to worship and follow.
Or do you mean what is the Biblical Holy Spirit?
Probably one of, but certainly not the only, embarrasing teaching in the Bible to the Trinitarians is the event of Jesus’ birth:
“Joseph, son of David, don't be afraid to take to yourself Mary, your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.” Matthew 1:20
“The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.” Luke 1:35
As is obvious to anyone without severe bias toward the trinity, the Father of Jesus can’t be a separate person from the Spirit of God, or God the Father wasn’t the one who actually “fathered” Jesus. Oh, I’m sure they have excuses and explanations, but they are just that, man-made excuses and explanations that make the word of God of no effect.
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From Trinity Delusion site:
The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit“And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out
MY Spirit upon all flesh.” (Acts 2:17).
“He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through
HIS Spirit in the inner man.” (Ephesians 3:16).
“By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of
HIS Spirit.” (1 John 4:13).
“Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put
MY Spirit upon him.” (Matthew 12:18).
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God the Father“When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for
the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." (Luke 12:11-12).
“But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is
the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.” (Matthew 10:19-20).
“Just as nobody would say the spirit of Elijah is another person separate from Elijah we should not say the Spirit of God is another person separate from God the Father. Just as nobody would say their own spirit is not themselves but someone else, nobody should say the Holy Spirit of God the Father is another someone else.”
John 4:24 - God is Spirit“At John 4:24, we read that God is Spirit.
“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the True worshipers will worship [b]the Father in Spirit and Truth; for such people [b]the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and Truth. (John 4:22-24).
http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/articles/SpiritFather.html=================
I rarely simply quote from someone else’s site like this, but this is one of those rare times where brother Kel’s info is readily available.
Like I quoted in my last post, we must remember that Christianity began from Judaism. It was not meant to be a "merger" of Jewish thought and pagan philosophy. That is what the Trinity represents. The reason it took the Trinitarian scoundrels up to 381 AD to develop to the point of the Holy Spirit being a complete coequal person is because that concept didn’t exist in either Biblical monotheism (Jewish or Christian) nor in platonism nor even in mythology. Trinitarians are completely guilty on their own of manufacturing their own new “god” to bow down and worship.[/quote]
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Thank you for your consumate answer. My early Episcopal teaching had The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost as a trinity. It is easy for me to elide to a variation of this where
The Father (God) had two other modes of presenting Himself: As His Son, and also as His Spirit. Each mode has a role to play in bringing men and women to Christ. How this fits within your concepts I cannot imagine, but there are a total of three modes in this idea: God as God, God as Son= Jesus, and God as the Holy Spirit. That is how I think of them. What say you?