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Apr 14, 2014 03:07:44   #
7sealssurvivor
 
Nickolai wrote:
Conservatives come in many colors, but none of them are is very tasteful. Mainly there two types. The professionals and the armatures
Neither type has had an original idea in hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years. Yet it's specifically because they are so stubbornly attached to a few very old ideas that they cause so much trouble. Simply put, they have great difficulties with change. But since change is the only constant in the Universe, that puts them in a prickly position: at odds with reality, and at war with the world.

As it turns out, one of the most important unique characteristics of our species, Homo sapiens, is the ability, willingness and, indeed, evolutionary advantage, of discarding established traditions and institutions in favor of something potentially much better. Thus, through discovery, learning, behavior change, experimentation, innovation, and (perhaps most importantly) cooperation, emerges progress. Yet each of the momentous advances in human culture were argued against by those in the tribe who wished to cling to the old values, the old myths. These are the conservatives. Thankfully, they eventually lose most of these arguments.

This very same tale continues throughout human history. We see social conservatives in every culture around the world and through the ages tenaciously clinging to hoary, old myths and customs, only to eventually be swept aside by the inexorable tide of the true human spirit: the impetus toward discovery and growth. Conservatives were the last to give up loyalty to Zeus, Thor and the Flat Earth. Many of them still think the world is 6,000 years old, and want to teach this in public school. Often the collision between the old guard and advanced thinking turns violent. We see this in the crucifixion of Jesus, the American Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and Taliban Afghanistan. In these conflicts, guess who is the villain... yep, it's always the conservatives... those who desperately want to hold on to the bad, old ways!

Conservatives are highly suspicious of social or economy-shifting technologies and paradigms. The conservative aristocracy fought against the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, even the Industrial Revolution. And never forget they were against the American Revolution Conservatives were against public education, Native American rights, emancipation of the slaves, women's suffrage, and civil rights for all. They balked at the horseless carriage, the computer and the internet, and today scorn environmentally-friendly industries, renewable energy, policies to reverse global warming, and more efficient light bulbs... all in defense of their increasingly obsolete ways of life. Despite their howls of protest, however, though it may take time, in almost every case, the more innovative, progressive, technology and ideology wins out.

It's a bit strange that these relics of the bad-old days are even still around. It would seem logical that by now they would have learned the lessons of history and gotten on board the wondrous train of progress. But rationality is not a property abundantly present in conservative ideology. Indeed, to the makers and believers of myths, rationality is not a "traditional" value. Not that conservatives are necessarily stupid (though John Stuart Mill maintained that most stupid people are conservative). Indeed the myth-makers of the dominator hierarchy are diabolically clever.

The myth makers are very differant than the myth belivers. They do not usually believe their myths because they know they made them up, and they know exactly how self-serving they are. So they continue to spout them over and over and over again, hoping that a certain segment of the public will gulp them down hook, line and sinker. They are hardly ever disappointed. There is never any shortage of gullible myth-believers out there, hankering for a fat myth that satisfies their appetite for selfishness, ignorance and fear.

The myth-believers remain willfully ignorant. It's easier to stay dumb about most things and allow gut feelings to rule. But broader knowledge and logic are not the only things missing from their mindset. Compassion, empathy and beyond-the-self/clan concern are likewise sorely lacking in the conservative worldview. Conservatives have a "me" rather than "we" orientation. Rather than rationality, rather than empathy, rather than true compassion, they defer to selfish emotionality, including strong currents of greed, fear and prejudice.

Under the threat of nuclear annihilation, sectarian strife, global warming, ecological catastrophe, exploding population, predatory capitalism and rampant consumerism, to survive as a species and bring peace to the planet, we must forge into an integrated and respectful human family, accelerate our discovery and nurturance of our commonalities and shared interests even while recognizing and celebrating our wonderful diversity. We must constrain those ideologies that promote division, distrust, greed, fear and self-assumed superiorities over the rest of humankind. Standing in stark and determined opposition to this higher evolution of humankind, as always, are the conservatives... and their myths
Conservatives come in many colors, but none of the... (show quote)


Sadly you are just another example of a liberal who has no clue what really motivates conservatives...it seems you have thought long and hard about defining what we are but all of your high-minded rhetoric is just that... rhetoric....you and Obama have a lot in common....you should run for public office....maybe the same lemmings that listened to him would listen to you....it's worth a try isn't it? By the way....by chance you didn't go to an ivy league school did you? LOL!

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Apr 14, 2014 03:31:20   #
7sealssurvivor
 
Nickolai wrote:
Conservatives come in many colors, but none of them are is very tasteful. Mainly there two types. The professionals and the armatures
Neither type has had an original idea in hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years. Yet it's specifically because they are so stubbornly attached to a few very old ideas that they cause so much trouble. Simply put, they have great difficulties with change. But since change is the only constant in the Universe, that puts them in a prickly position: at odds with reality, and at war with the world.

As it turns out, one of the most important unique characteristics of our species, Homo sapiens, is the ability, willingness and, indeed, evolutionary advantage, of discarding established traditions and institutions in favor of something potentially much better. Thus, through discovery, learning, behavior change, experimentation, innovation, and (perhaps most importantly) cooperation, emerges progress. Yet each of the momentous advances in human culture were argued against by those in the tribe who wished to cling to the old values, the old myths. These are the conservatives. Thankfully, they eventually lose most of these arguments.

This very same tale continues throughout human history. We see social conservatives in every culture around the world and through the ages tenaciously clinging to hoary, old myths and customs, only to eventually be swept aside by the inexorable tide of the true human spirit: the impetus toward discovery and growth. Conservatives were the last to give up loyalty to Zeus, Thor and the Flat Earth. Many of them still think the world is 6,000 years old, and want to teach this in public school. Often the collision between the old guard and advanced thinking turns violent. We see this in the crucifixion of Jesus, the American Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and Taliban Afghanistan. In these conflicts, guess who is the villain... yep, it's always the conservatives... those who desperately want to hold on to the bad, old ways!

Conservatives are highly suspicious of social or economy-shifting technologies and paradigms. The conservative aristocracy fought against the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, even the Industrial Revolution. And never forget they were against the American Revolution Conservatives were against public education, Native American rights, emancipation of the slaves, women's suffrage, and civil rights for all. They balked at the horseless carriage, the computer and the internet, and today scorn environmentally-friendly industries, renewable energy, policies to reverse global warming, and more efficient light bulbs... all in defense of their increasingly obsolete ways of life. Despite their howls of protest, however, though it may take time, in almost every case, the more innovative, progressive, technology and ideology wins out.

It's a bit strange that these relics of the bad-old days are even still around. It would seem logical that by now they would have learned the lessons of history and gotten on board the wondrous train of progress. But rationality is not a property abundantly present in conservative ideology. Indeed, to the makers and believers of myths, rationality is not a "traditional" value. Not that conservatives are necessarily stupid (though John Stuart Mill maintained that most stupid people are conservative). Indeed the myth-makers of the dominator hierarchy are diabolically clever.

The myth makers are very differant than the myth belivers. They do not usually believe their myths because they know they made them up, and they know exactly how self-serving they are. So they continue to spout them over and over and over again, hoping that a certain segment of the public will gulp them down hook, line and sinker. They are hardly ever disappointed. There is never any shortage of gullible myth-believers out there, hankering for a fat myth that satisfies their appetite for selfishness, ignorance and fear.

The myth-believers remain willfully ignorant. It's easier to stay dumb about most things and allow gut feelings to rule. But broader knowledge and logic are not the only things missing from their mindset. Compassion, empathy and beyond-the-self/clan concern are likewise sorely lacking in the conservative worldview. Conservatives have a "me" rather than "we" orientation. Rather than rationality, rather than empathy, rather than true compassion, they defer to selfish emotionality, including strong currents of greed, fear and prejudice.

Under the threat of nuclear annihilation, sectarian strife, global warming, ecological catastrophe, exploding population, predatory capitalism and rampant consumerism, to survive as a species and bring peace to the planet, we must forge into an integrated and respectful human family, accelerate our discovery and nurturance of our commonalities and shared interests even while recognizing and celebrating our wonderful diversity. We must constrain those ideologies that promote division, distrust, greed, fear and self-assumed superiorities over the rest of humankind. Standing in stark and determined opposition to this higher evolution of humankind, as always, are the conservatives... and their myths
Conservatives come in many colors, but none of the... (show quote)


He who knows, does not know...he who knows he does not know...knows. He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks does not know. Lao Tzu

Go back to school son.......

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Apr 14, 2014 03:37:08   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
7sealssurvivor wrote:
Go back to school son.......
That could well be the worst thing ol' Nick could do. "School" is likely where he was spoon fed that tripe.

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Apr 14, 2014 03:51:41   #
Brian Devon
 
7sealssurvivor wrote:
He who knows, does not know...he who knows he does not know...knows. He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks does not know. Lao Tzu

Go back to school son.......




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Sounds like Donald Rumsfeld gobbledy-gook. Known unknowns, unknown knowns......just fancy footwork to cover-up war crimes. The only person you should ever call son is your male offspring. Otherwise it just makes you sound like a Podunk hayseed.

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Apr 14, 2014 03:52:51   #
7sealssurvivor
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That could well be the worst thing ol' Nick could do. "School" is likely where he was spoon fed that tripe.


Nick retyped that from the "New World Order" handbook or "Rules for Radicals"....or some other lefty program manual ....no way someone could generate so many deceitful falsehoods in one session without a template...am i right?

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Apr 14, 2014 03:58:12   #
7sealssurvivor
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Sounds like Donald Rumsfeld gobbledy-gook. Known unknowns, unknown knowns......just fancy footwork to cover-up war crimes. The only person you should ever call son is your male offspring. Otherwise it just makes you sound like a Podunk hayseed.

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You seem to have me mixed up with Jimmy Carter....wake up son.....

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Apr 14, 2014 04:14:31   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
The witnesses to the resurrection were all in the story there were no independent witnesses outside the story. Therefore that information would not be admissible in a court of law. It's hear say. For a story to be believed it must have evidence and first hand witness. To say I heard there were 500 witnesses isn't good enough that's why we call it faith.
This is one of the finest examples of twisted "logic" I've read in a long time.

Nickolai wrote:
Yes the old testament existed and was called the Torah the Hebrew Bible. Modern Scientific Archaeology and the absence of historic proof have revealed the first four books of the Old Testament to be complete fabrications.
Boy, you're hard core, aren't you? Where, in God's name, do you find such absolutely inane conclusions? You're going to have to better than this, like backing up such statements with a credible source---Specifically, what "Modern Scientific Archeology"? Show me the money. And, where is your proof of the "absence of historic proof."


Here's some homework for you, Nick:
13 fragments of scrolls from the Psalms; nine from Exodus; eight from Deuteronomy; five from Leviticus; four each from Genesis and Isaiah (Fitzmyer 1977:11–39); and no fewer than eight scrolls representing Daniel.

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Apr 14, 2014 04:20:27   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
7sealssurvivor wrote:
Nick retyped that from the "New World Order" handbook or "Rules for Radicals"....or some other lefty program manual ....no way someone could generate so many deceitful falsehoods in one session without a template...am i right?
A Skull full of Mush, is he. They get that way in those indoc centers they call "schools".

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Apr 14, 2014 04:52:35   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Nicholai,
One of the best posts yet on OPP. Thank you for your thoughtful insights.


Nickolai wrote:
Thank you I'd like to take credit for this piece but it was writen by others who are unknown by me but it is word for word what I belive to be true. So much so That I wanted to share it with others.
Oh yeah, post something "written by others who are unknown" to you. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, alluding to unknown sources without verification is no way to establish credibility. Try putting it in your own words next time. Or, provide a source.

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Apr 14, 2014 09:10:14   #
vernon
 
Midgard wrote:
Do you do Stand - up? Seriously, your logic is astounding. I hope some day you'll wake up, grow up,or shut up. If you hadn't posted, we'd all just THINK you're an idiot. Have you not noticed the economy is crashing and burning and Americans are PISSED OFF? You think change is good if takes away our liberties? Corruption and unprecedented government spending while the economy is in crisis is good? That stuuf you smoke must be some powerfulvstuff.



yes im an idiot,but i know you guys are no more than commie activist trying to create as much confusion as possible.if you want name calling just keep it up im sure someone will oblige.

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Apr 14, 2014 09:13:13   #
vernon
 
[quote=Steve700]
Nickolai wrote:

These are the conservatives. Thankfully, they eventually lose most of these arguments.
We see this in the crucifixion of Jesus, the American Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and Taliban Afghanistan. In these conflicts, guess who is the villain... yep, it's always the conservatives.
Conservatives have a "me" rather than "we" orientation.
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What a bull shit rant of poppycock. Practically everything you say about conservatives is more true of liberals. But then that is the Alinsky method "accuse them of what you do". Everything you say is back ass word. You sound like a communist that doesn't realize that by and large America throughout history has been fulfilling its noble destiny of service to the world. You say that we lose most of the arguments. It's hard for us to even get you to debate with us and you're always using those political correctness tactics to avoid debate. "Just call them a racist; that'll shut them up". And now the conservatives are the ones responsible for killing Jesus/ ?? ??? and what do you have against the Revolutionary war that was to stop the English from subjugating us. And where were the conservatives wrong in trying to hold the union together and free the slaves which was the reason for the Civil War. Did you know the KKK was started by the Democrats and was the enforcement arm for the Democratic Party and that Lincoln and MLK were both registered Republicans? You forgot to blame us for dropping the atom bomb which saved far more lives of many different nationalities than it took. And now you're comparing crazy Taliban Muslims to American conservatives? You are nuts! And what do you do - you partner up with Islam to go against the conservative and the Christians being when we are the ones that are trying to save you from Islam (and the thanks we get is to be called Islamaphobes) instead of learning about Islam from reliable sources. You believe the bull shit the Muslims tell you when the fact of the matter is the reason Islam is called the "religion of peace" is because that's their agenda. To wipe out every other religion, political system and culture then and only then does the Koran tell them that there will be world peace; it is a supremacist ideology just like Nazi-ism and every bit as evil. You know that no democracy has ever attacked another democracy? ?? NEVER and what's the record of the lefties? Well I'll tell you - 120,000,000 dead in the twentieth century. (mostly of their own, at that) And you say that the conservatives have a me rather than a we orientation. I guess that's why it is a statistical fact that conservatives give far more to charity than the liberals who expect the government to do it for them. I could take the rest of your diatribe apart piece by piece, but this is already a long enough post and I really don't have the time for it.
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Apr 14, 2014 09:27:10   #
vernon
 
Claus Von Stauffenberg wrote:
YOU OPINED: “The witnesses to the resurrection were all in the story there were no independent witnesses outside the story. Therefore that information would not be admissible in a court of law.” [sic]

~~~~ Simply put, that is totally FALSE !

You and Thomas Paine may certainly hold to your opinions about what you have read in the Scriptures and how you responded to those saving words from the position and perspective of your own spiritual status at the time. This can change, so keep reading.

Let’s look at a quick sketch of what God has said concerning the workings of faith as there are many people out there with misconceptions.

1. Who provides faith?

1 Corinthians 12:3 No one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

2. Can we determine how it will happen?

JOHN 3:8 [JESUS]: “The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

3. What methods does the Holy Spirit use?

ROMANS 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

4. What does faith consist of; what does it profit ?

ROMANS 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

2 Corinthians 4
But if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ.
YOU OPINED: “The witnesses to the resurrection we... (show quote)



these commies are just trying to create confusion with their crazy theories and nasty names.

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Apr 14, 2014 11:58:29   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Swamps all over the world have been releasing methane for thousands of years. Humans and animals fart methane. CO2 is vital to life on earth.

AGW is a hoax, total bullsh!t with nothing to drive it but a political agenda.

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Apr 14, 2014 12:07:13   #
Nickolai
 
Claus Von Stauffenberg wrote:
I am surprised that some people still use this hackneyed argument regarding the existence of Jesus Christ !

The Evidence For Jesus' Existence is Overwhelming.

The Bible has proven to be more historically and archaeologically accurate than any other ancient book. It has been subjected to the minutest scientific textual analysis possible to humanity and has been proven to be authentic in every way.

First, let me put it to you in a very academic historical fashion that is applied throughout the world using the cultural accumulation of knowledge and its development and transmission across generations by its practitioners and transmitters.


While historical revisionism is the re-examination of accepted secular history, with an eye towards updating it with newly discovered, more accurate, or less-biased information, "deniers" seek evidence to support a preconceived theory, omitting substantial facts.
Historical revisionism is a secular academic approach that holds that a given slice of history, as it has been traditionally told, may not be entirely accurate, and should hence be revised accordingly. Historical revisionism in this sense is a well-accepted and mainstream part of secular history studies, and it is applied to the study of ancient history as new facts emerge and change our understanding of it.

NOTE: Extraordinary Evidence About Jesus in the Dead Sea Scrolls
http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/article1.htm

A very different process unfolds when someone proceeds from the premise that a major element of human history, such as Christ’s life on earth, His crucifixion and His resurrection is simply inaccurate, and ignores or routinely minimizes evidence that conflicts with that premise. History done in this way is not revisionism, but denial….. which is where you are at this point.

Lying cannot change the facts of history any more than your birth certificate cannot provide evidence that you once existed.
I am surprised that some people still use this hac... (show quote)


None the less it's still hearsay. It's biological immpossible for dead people to rescuect. The idea of devine beings violates the laws of nature

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Apr 14, 2014 12:56:45   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
None the less it's still hearsay. It's biological immpossible for dead people to rescuect (sic). The idea of devine beings violates the laws of nature.
Another opinion with nothing to back it up. You continually make statements that there is no proof of this, no evidence of that, so how about some proof that divinity violates the laws of nature. You're going to have to come up with something very convincing in an effort to refute a legion of philosophers, theologians, even scientists, and other great thinkers, including our Founding Fathers, all of whom, in one way or another, presented convincing arguments (even evidence, i.e., the studies of DNA) that natural law is a manifestation of divine law.

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

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