factnotfiction

And who can forget the disgusting attacks that sissy boy trump made against John McCain?

trump couldn't fly a jet, make a bombing run, survive a shoot down, survive prison camp, or carry John McCains underwear to the laundry.

trump and his trumpcons are true scumbags



https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/10/30/trump-allies-attacks-reality-check-avlon-newday-vpx.cnn

EL Loc: Massachusetts

You most likely can't do that either. What does that make you?
McCain was a traitor from the word go!
We saw that every time he opened his mouth.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

John McCain wasn't a real person he ditched reality to play in the left out field of sanity, John McCain never saw a war he didn't know how to lose.

factnotfiction

And you cons picked him to run for president, and bawled like bitches when he lost



Go away troll

factnotfiction

Yep, and you brain dead cons picked him to run for president, and you all bawled like hurt bitches when he lost

Another con troll

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

How could I be a troll when I'm not anonymous , ? I've mentioned many times my name and address is posted on Quora just see Terry Loder on Quora.

Do you reall believe John McCain is some sort of hero?

Poor sick person.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The guy who's daddy paid for phony bone spur diagnosis to dodge the draft, casting aspersions on a true heroes honor? IMO, that's an impeachable offense all by itself.

Rose42

Whether McCain was a ‘true’ hero depends on who you talk to.

And there are a lot who would have done the same thing Trump did if they’d had the opportunity.

Lonewolf

to bad we cant find out how you would hold up in a prison camp

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

McCain was a give up a dog and a c . in the prison camp or the Vietcong were holy Angels, and McCain was their boss, besides a hero is someone who saves not destroys.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Why was John McCain seen as a traitor by some?

By William Payne, former Command Sergeant Major (1973-2014) RallyPoint/The Military Network

Research Jerry Kiley and Ted Sampley and the Vietnam Veterans against John McCain. The late Sampley used the now common practice of socially crucifying those they disagreed with politically. They did the same against John Kerry with In the 2004 campaign that led to the term Swift-boating. They disagreed with McCain and Kerry’s stand on hunting for MIAs and POWs from the Vietnam War.

Sampley was an Army Veteran that was making a living off of the POW / MIA movement. He was sued for selling unlicensed t-shirts and souvenirs from a spot adjacent to the Vietnam Memorial. During the Gulf War, Sampley was credited in telling the family of a pilot that was shot down and missing, that he knew that pilot had been tortured and killed. Imagine their surprise when he showed up alive.

It was Sampley that started calling McCain, “the Manchurian Candidate”. It was Kiley that “claimed” to know someone that claimed that McCain was called “the Hanoi Hilton Songbird”. Nobody that was an actually documented WITH McCain, seemed to know anything about it. There was no Court Martial. McCain was on the Admiral’s list for promotion when he dropped his retirement papers to run for Congress in Arizona.

It was this group that spread the rumor that McCain had fathered a biracial child out of wedlock, referring to McCains adopted daughter that Cindy McCain saved from an orphanage, during the South Carolina Primaries when McCain was running against George Bush. Up unto South Carolina, McCain had been leading in the primaries.

They are also responsible for creating the false narrative that the fire on the USS Forrestal, was caused by McCain wet starting his A-4 trying to rattle the pilot in the plane behind him. . . . . There was no plane behind him, the tail end of his A-4 was pointed off deck toward the South China Sea. There were no F-4s on his side of the deck, the aircraft were separated by mission and the F-4s were on the opposite side of the deck. A-4s did not carry Zuni missiles. This fire is one of the most investigated and filmed disasters in the history of the United States Navy and is still used for training at the Navy Farrier Firefighting school, named after Chief Farrier, the Chief of the Forrestal Fighting team that lost his life fighting that fire. The fire was started by a Zuni Missile, on an F-4, parked across the deck from McCain’s A-4. The rocket hit an A-4, rupturing fuel tanks and causing 1,000 pound bombs to fall into the resulting fire. Many of these bombs were pre WWII bombs being used due to the shortage of the new bombs because of the high tempo of missions. Where the new bombs were fire rated for ten minutes, the old bombs exploded after a couple, the major cause for conflagration on the Forrestal.

So the Veterans that believe that McCain was a traitor, do so based on the “information” claimed above.
And even though Sampley has been gone for a number of years now, thanks to the internet and social media these stories will live on in perpetuity. But make no mistake, John Sidney McCain III was no saint. Had he not been the son and grandson of two admirals, I doubt he would have ever gotten into Annapolis, let alone graduate. He was not the greatest or the most discipline of pilots. But he was a fighter. After the Forrestal fire, he could have returned to Norfolk with the ship. He elected to stay in Vietnam. He volunteered to go back on flight status. He flew his small, subsonic jet bomber through some of the most heavily defended air space over Vietnam and was shot down. Along with many of his comrades. Maybe if he had ejected by the book, he wouldn’t have badly broken both arms and a leg. But there can be no doubt that as a Prisoner of War he was tortured. His cell mates helped to keep him alive. When the Vietnamese found out that he was the son of the CINPAC Commander, they tried to let him go early, for propaganda measures. . . . He refused, first POW in, first POW out, spending several additional years in captivity. For the rest of his life, he would never be able to raise his arms above his shoulders.

But we don’t like people that got captured, do we? As opposed to people that aggressively take measures as to not serve at all. . . . .

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

With respect to all of his political critics (of which I am one), I will post the following statements regarding John McCain.

From (Viet) NAM-POWs President Mike McGrath

"I thought you needed to see a message that I sent to some folks who were establishing web pages with completely false stories which had been submitted to them as true stories. They agreed to stop after learning that they had received bogus information.

NAM-POW names of: Jerry Driscoll, Larry Carrigan, and A.J. Myers have been connected, falsely, with the below stories. If any of you see these false stories passed around the net from group to group, please send a copy of this message to the sender and try to get this nonsense and slander of McCain, Driscoll, Carrigan, and A.J stopped.

Next, the false stories of John McCain's conduct. Again, there are false stories floating around the net about McCain. He was never missing from our group for six months.

He never co-operated with the enemy.

We have dozens of us who lived with and around John for his entire time (10-26-67 to 14 March 73). Larry Carrigan, for one, lived with or near both John and Ted Guy. Larry says Ted would never make the statements which are being attributed to him ...and Ted can't set the record straight because he is dead.

We have dozens of roommates who will vouch for the loyalty and courage and conduct of John McCain.

Here is a more accurate story: John had both arms and at least one leg badly hurt on ejection. He was bayoneted near the groin by a soldier as they were pulling him from the lake. After three days of interrogations and no cooperation, he was near death. They found out his father was Admiral McCain. They stopped the interrogations, gave him medical care, brought in a French reporter (with camera), and let him make a statement to his family that he was alive and would recover and come home.

After laying off the rough stuff, and trying to get John to cooperate by the "good guy" treatment for a couple of weeks, they got pissed off that he would not give information or cooperate. So, they threw him in a cell with Bud Day (MOH recipient) and Maj Norris Overly. McCain was in danger of dying from maltreatment. Maj Overly had to nurse both men back to health.

From that point on, McCain resisted just as hard as any other POW. He went through the same interrogations and treatment. His roommates can testify to his valor and patriotism.

In short, I think that the slanderous reports by faceless people (and some are attributed to Ted Guy...which I doubt are true) are from the bunch who are really pissed off that McCain made a political decision to back Clinton when Clinton decided it was time for "normalization" of diplomatic and trade relations, and it was time to have Ambassadorial level representation. To many, that made John a traitor.

To most, it was just a political reality. It opened the door to better cooperation for a host of areas, including a full accounting of the POW/MIA issue (which is still an ongoing issue today. We have 2,060 yet to account for).

If you want to get the straight story on McCain's conduct, please contact his roommates. Start with the Honorable Orson Swindle at OrsonIII@aol.com. Thanks for helping shut down these phony stories. Again, you can copy this paragraph if it will help."

Mike McGrath, (Viet) NAM-POW's President

Bottom line: Who are these guys who pretend to know who the POWs are, what we are, how we think and thought, how we conducted ourselves, what we said, what we did, or why we did whatever?

There are over 50 books written by or about us which pretty much detail our ordeal. For book list, see our web site at: www.nampows.org.

If that isn't enough, please contact us personally and get the straight story. Over 280 of our e-mail addresses are on the NAM-POW web site. We also list the 300 or so Phony POWs on the Hall of Shame. But please don't attribute anything to us that is not verified.

Thanks, Mike

For those with a genuine interest to find out about us, I suggest you get a released book, 700 pages of hard hitting researched reality, "Honor Bound", by Frederick Kiley and Stuart Rochester (recently nominated for a Pulitzer for this work).

This by far is the most comprehensive work ever done on our ordeal. Do you want to find out the truth about the Cuban Program, the torture, the brutality, etc. Just pick up your phone and call the Naval Institute at: 1-800-233-8764.

Read this book first, then we'll talk to you about real POW experiences in Hanoi... not false stories of Hanoi."

USMC6976

No, but he has kept his campaign promises. Even the wall is getting built. McCain couldn't even keep ONE of his promises. McCain lied over and over to get reelected. Then did exactly what he promised not to do.

rjoeholl

I believe you're right.....if he were running for GOD!