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Oct 17, 2019 03:36:24   #
marinevet73
 
proud republican wrote:
Nope!!!! It won't be Graham!! He is on Trump side My guess its Romney !!!! He is anti Trump Rino ! But he is going to be very lonely!!!!


I don't think you have heard the latest interviews from Graham. He is talking about Trump endangering the US population because the Kurds are releasing all of the ISIS prisoners so they can go fight the Turks. Graham says that ISIS is coming here, and it's Trump's fault..

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Oct 17, 2019 03:38:20   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
lpnmajor wrote:
He's being treated in exactly the same way. Determining the facts is not subject to partisan editing, they are what they are. Now, IF the House votes to impeach at some point in the future, Trump will be represented at the Senate trial and his lawyers may examine witnesses and refute documentation.

Trying to prevent or circumvent fact finding, makes Trump look weak, scared...............and guilty. The inquiry phase is NOT subject to "alternative facts", only verifiable, beyond reasonable doubt evidence may be used. If the committee recommends impeachment, the substance of the offenses must be spelled out in the articles to impeach.......................and the whole world will know what those are.
He's being treated in exactly the same way. Determ... (show quote)


Clinton and Nixon had every courtesy extended to them including the right to subpoena and cross examine witnesses, the right to see all the information that has been gathered, and especially the right to face his accuser.
I don't think he looks weak at all. In fact, I think he looks strong. He is telling the democrats to piss off unless they hold a fair vote and make the inquiry official. He is under NO obligation to cooperate with a kangaroo court until a vote is taken, and his rights are restored.

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Oct 17, 2019 03:39:17   #
marinevet73
 
77Reaganite wrote:
Hell they're never going to vote on it anyway so there's not going to be any impeachment like I've been telling everybody in order for the impeachment inquiry to go forward with the impeachment process the house has to vote in order to take it up but see there's 30 Democrats Nancy Pelosi is trying to hide it's the same 30 Democrats that newly got voted in back in 2018 and they all won Trump districts she's shielding them from having to vote so basically everything they're doing is unconstitutional
Hell they're never going to vote on it anyway so t... (show quote)


Holding inquiry hearings is not unconstitutional.

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Oct 17, 2019 04:07:36   #
PeterS
 
maximus wrote:
Clinton and Nixon had every courtesy extended to them including the right to subpoena and cross examine witnesses, the right to see all the information that has been gathered, and especially the right to face his accuser.
I don't think he looks weak at all. In fact, I think he looks strong. He is telling the democrats to piss off unless they hold a fair vote and make the inquiry official. He is under NO obligation to cooperate with a kangaroo court until a vote is taken, and his rights are restored.
Clinton and Nixon had every courtesy extended to ... (show quote)

Under Clinton and Nixon, there were special counsels that did the investigation...in secret. Barr refused to investigate Trump which left it up to Congress to take up what the attorney general should have done.

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Oct 17, 2019 04:17:26   #
PeterS
 
77Reaganite wrote:
Clinton and Nixon get a fair Shake because they were both career politicians Trump isn't plus Trump went after the intelligence Community during the last election. As much as I I hate to admit when a Democrat is wrong but when Senator Chuck Schumer in 2016 said you know going after the intelligence community they have six ways to Sunday to get you seems to me he might have been right about that because the Deep State sure is pissed at !

Do the conservative powers that be spoon feed you this crap? Nixon was investigated by Jaworski, Clinton was investigated by Ken Starr. Trump was investigated by....who...no one because Barr refused to set up a special counsel because he won't investigate Donald Trump. That's why Congress is doing the investigation and why it is being done without any interference by Trump.

You guys are supposed to be the constitutional experts and you don't even know the first thing about impeaching a president. And you are especially blind to how this impeachment is being done...

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Oct 17, 2019 13:18:53   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
marinevet73 wrote:
Holding inquiry hearings is not unconstitutional.




It IS...when due process is disallowed. When the rights of the accused are shelved, when inquiries are held in secret, when demands of testimony and documents for an 'unofficial' inquiry are made, when there is president to be followed but is ignored, when staging an 'official un0official' inquiry not based on evidence but on political goals, when making up fictional narratives about what the accused said and calling it a parody, yes...YES...it IS unconstitutional.

Let's just look at undue process. If Pelosi can't call a vote to impeach because there is NO evidence of wrongdoing, then why have we, the people, been subjected to all of the malarkey for weeks? To 'make' it look as though there is guilt is why. Is that constitutional? I don't think so because the constitution protects all citizens from undue process, which this kangaroo inquiry is.

Is there an oxymoron here? It IS an inquiry that is NOT an inquiry.

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Oct 17, 2019 13:33:04   #
herbie
 
maximus wrote:
Clinton and Nixon had every courtesy extended to them including the right to subpoena and cross examine witnesses, the right to see all the information that has been gathered, and especially the right to face his accuser.
I don't think he looks weak at all. In fact, I think he looks strong. He is telling the democrats to piss off unless they hold a fair vote and make the inquiry official. He is under NO obligation to cooperate with a kangaroo court until a vote is taken, and his rights are restored.
Clinton and Nixon had every courtesy extended to ... (show quote)


what rights have been taken away that need to be restored ? he has not been charged with anything yet, he has no rights to question anyone yet.

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Oct 17, 2019 14:12:17   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
herbie wrote:
what rights have been taken away that need to be restored ? he has not been charged with anything yet, he has no rights to question anyone yet.


Why you guys holding meetings secretly ????? Why not go public so we can all know what is going on???

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Oct 17, 2019 14:13:12   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
herbie wrote:
you really are an idiot


It takes one to know one!!!!

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Oct 17, 2019 16:52:02   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
herbie wrote:
you really are an idiot


You have been reported.

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Oct 17, 2019 18:18:44   #
herbie
 
maximus wrote:
You have been reported.


what a bunch of babies

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Oct 17, 2019 18:19:35   #
herbie
 
maximus wrote:
You have been reported.


so idiot is a bad word ?

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Oct 17, 2019 19:26:31   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
[quote=herbie]so idiot is a bad word ?[/quot


No...but I have had replys deleted for no worse. I wanted to see if adm. is biased and it looks to be so.
I posted the other day, that I've learned the magic 6 words never to say on OPP. The. 6 words are"You are a...You are so..."
But we see that deletion only works for conservatives, unless the language is really foul.
That's OK.
So, I'm an idiot. May be true. An idiot can't help being that way. I believe what I believe because it is the truth..
But, you are a fool for supporting the violent, lying, and corrupt Democratic party. A fool is a fool by choice.
Makes me innocent and you guilty.

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