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Oct 16, 2019 15:48:23   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
at41 wrote:
Read the Constitution. There is no requirement for a vote prior to conducting an inquiry. The Speaker of the house is merely following the Constitution. This is like the head of the Senate using the Constitution to justify denying President Obama a nominee to the Supreme Court.


This is shredding the Constitution. There are at least 4 issues that are exactly opposite to what the Constitution says. Start with representation and go on.

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Oct 16, 2019 16:01:22   #
Pariahjf
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
This is shredding the Constitution. There are at least 4 issues that are exactly opposite to what the Constitution says. Start with representation and go on.


Representation and due process are for trials, not inquiries. And on the other hand, officials can refuse to submit to questioning or providing of documents, if requested also.

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Oct 16, 2019 16:05:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Representation and due process are for trials, not inquiries. And on the other hand, officials can refuse to submit to questioning or providing of documents, if requested also.


http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-167797-1.html

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Oct 16, 2019 16:21:00   #
Pariahjf
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-167797-1.html


Since there are no clear cut rules in the Constitution where impeachment is mentioned, looks like anything is game. Sure there is previous precedence, but nothing in writing with the exception of the 2/3 Senate mandate.

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Oct 16, 2019 16:33:50   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Since there are no clear cut rules in the Constitution where impeachment is mentioned, looks like anything is game. Sure there is previous precedence, but nothing in writing with the exception of the 2/3 Senate mandate.


That isn't the point. The point is that they are leaking information which is actually contradictory to the testimony of the witnesses and since nothing is classified, it appears that the reason for the secrecy is to provide false information about Trump for political purposes. They want to saturate the American public with fake propaganda; simple as that. They are going to try to do it all the way to the election.

There will be no articles of impeachment and there will be no vote to impeach.

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Oct 16, 2019 16:35:47   #
Pariahjf
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
That isn't the point. The point is that they are leaking information which is actually contradictory to the testimony of the witnesses and since nothing is classified, it appears that the reason for the secrecy is to provide false information about Trump for political purposes. They want to saturate the American public with fake propaganda; simple as that. They are going to try to do it all the way to the election.

There will be no articles of impeachment and there will be no vote to impeach.
That isn't the point. The point is that they are ... (show quote)


John Bolton has not refuted any of the leaks from his former aide. And there may very well be no articles or no vote to impeach.

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Oct 16, 2019 16:44:33   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
That isn't the point. The point is that they are leaking information which is actually contradictory to the testimony of the witnesses and since nothing is classified, it appears that the reason for the secrecy is to provide false information about Trump for political purposes. They want to saturate the American public with fake propaganda; simple as that. They are going to try to do it all the way to the election.

There will be no articles of impeachment and there will be no vote to impeach.
That isn't the point. The point is that they are ... (show quote)



Absolutely the deal!

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Oct 16, 2019 16:53:29   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Since there are no clear cut rules in the Constitution where impeachment is mentioned, looks like anything is game. Sure there is previous precedence, but nothing in writing with the exception of the 2/3 Senate mandate.


If I were making decisions on how to proceed, I would be extremely careful. You see, in law much weight is placed on past practices. Ordinarily applied to labor laws, however there is no reason it can not be applied to the House or Senate rule making. One basic requirement, the practice existed for a substantial period of time and it had occurred repeatedly. So, I would be mindful of past impeachment procedures. And impeachment procedures to vote on an inquiry goes back to 1868 with the impeachment, but not removal, of Andrew Johnson and was used in initiating impeachment of Nixon and again with Clinton.

You are correct, the Constitution does not give a playbook, and the House can make up or change rules to meet their goals.

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Oct 16, 2019 17:09:21   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Pariahjf wrote:
John Bolton has not refuted any of the leaks from his former aide. And there may very well be no articles or no vote to impeach.

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Oct 16, 2019 17:11:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Pariahjf wrote:
John Bolton has not refuted any of the leaks from his former aide. And there may very well be no articles or no vote to impeach.


So? Who cares? Bolton is now a little bitch all mad at Trump. And not there won't be. It would reveal the dishonestly fo the entire "impeachment" process orchestrated by the dem's. Political suicide!!

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Oct 16, 2019 23:38:06   #
Squiddiddler Loc: Phoenix
 
Lonewolf wrote:
He might as well their all going down pence Trump barr ruddy and most likely a few more


All u Have To Do Is Dream, Dream, Dream because that all you got.

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Oct 17, 2019 01:07:43   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
woodguru wrote:
President Pelosi has an interesting ring to it, Mrs President...

https://dmlnewsapp.com/breaking-pence-responds-house-request-provide-documents/




This is obstruction? There is NO OFFICIAL INQUIRY, therefore Pence is under NO obligation to turn over anything. If they want docs, let them call for a vote. Otherwise, they need to stop breaking historical precedents of impeachment, and stop lying to the American people. Adam Schitt needs to be tried for slander and treason. Madame Peloser will NEVER be president.
Trump spoke well and true today when he called her a 3rd rate politician. She no longer has any power but barks when the 'squad' says bark...she is a puppet.

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Oct 17, 2019 01:15:22   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Have you read the two page document in which the Republican led HJC specified the rights and privileges of president Clinton during his impeachment proceedings. He was afforded every courtesy, every right under due process, every privilege, and every opportunity to present his defense that is given to any American citizen accused of a crime. That included his right to confront his accusers and to investigate their allegations, and to know the specific charges against him, his right to call his own witnesses in both HJC inquiries and during senate trial, his right to investigate the background and depositions of hostile witnesses and for his defense attorney to cross examine them both during House inquiry and during senate trial, his right to discovery materials (which is all documentation CLASSIFIED or not, witness lists, and materials generated by the authorities filing the charge and prosecuting them, i.e., the House inquiry and the senate trial.)

To be succinct, due process in Bill Clinton's impeachment began the instant the charges were filed against him. His right to defense began then, not when the Articles were submitted to the senate.

Moreover, the American people were kept well informed of the entire proceedings. Every step of the way, we were given all the details. We have the right to know what our government is doing in such a high profile event.

The maniacs in the HOR are denying President Trump, his staff, his attorneys, VP Pence and We the People our constitutional and legal rights. They are racking up another in a long list of political scandals that sooner or later are going to get too heavy for them to carry and the load will crush them.

The leftists' ignorance of our constitutional and legal rights to due process is appalling.

This "impeachment inquiry" is terrible breach of our constitutional rights.

Anyone who imagines the stupidest woman in the HOR as POTUS is in serious need of a brain overhaul.
Have you read the two page document in which the R... (show quote)



Wow! Thank you very much...I was going to say pretty much the same thing. You said it very well!

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Oct 18, 2019 11:19:12   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
The Democrat Party needs to be BAND! Save America BAND THE LEFT!

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Oct 19, 2019 13:46:05   #
Cuda2020
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Nixon was not impeached.


Yes, he resigned beforehand, being a bit anal aren't we? Either way, my POINT was that Trump will be following him in the same outcome.

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