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Oct 16, 2019 11:26:02   #
herbie
 
slatten49 wrote:
I say the biggest misconception is that Trump supporting Republicans are dumb, uneducated, misinformed, lazy minded, tribalistic xenophobes who base decisions on race or religion. I know the loud minority is the most vocal and easiest to notice and take exception with, but, there’s no denying that observably when anti-trumpets dismiss or criticize the President, they miscategorize all Trump supporters with generalized broad brush labels of misinformed, Fox news watching (as though Fox were any worse than CNN, MSNBC, NYT, HuffPo, the Post, etc.), old, cowardly racists. I particularly find most that use these dehumanizing attacks designed to both condescend, shame into compliance, intimidate or, dismiss are espoused by people who have a very simplistic, tepid understanding of issues or the facts of issues, and yet, do not lack of pride and stubbornness, nor angry vitriol. More often than not, when I push them on issues, they will quickly grow angry, throw out more parroted cliches or fake news, deflect, try and change the subject, and then just insult and slander and flee.

The truth is, most Trump supporting people aren’t dumb. At least, no dumber than those that oppose him. Sure, there are stupid or uninformed Trump fans, and everyone has an anecdotal example. But, there are just as many stupid and uninformed Trump haters. Perhaps more. The simple fact is, most Trump supporting conservatives, classic liberals, walk-away’ers, legal immigrants, etc like Trump because they’re tired. They’re good, moral, humble, hard working, principled, patriotic, proud Americans who are simply tired of the left’s bullshit. Tired of policies that hurt Americans. Tired of being vilified. Tired of being ignored, and our problems dismissed. Tired of our values and culture being mocked, insulted, co-opted or destroyed. Tired of being forced to swallow ever increasingly radical ideology and practices, and labeled an “ist” or “phobe” if we offer even the slightest resistance. Tired of being condescended to by the media, lied to by the media, manipulated by the media. Tired of being met with such bitter, angry, scornful rhetoric. Tired of being guilted. Tired of attacks on our religions (Christianity, Judaism) in favor of submission to other’s religions (environmentalism, Islam). Tired of having the family attacked, divided, destroyed. Tired of criticism of American values, freedoms, ideals. Tired of anti-patriotism. Tired of identity politics, cancel culture, tired of political corruption or political violence, tired of attacks on the 1st and 2nd amendment, tired of a push for socialism, tired of the outright hate, just tired, tired, tired.

And, that is why Trump was elected. And until this is understood, Trump supporters won’t stop backing him. Because, even if there are issues we take with the man (God knows I do), at the end of the day he fights for what WE want. As the media becomes ever increasingly dishonest, hyperbolic, manipulative, and propagandizing, as the democrats become increasingly aggressive, desperate, and rule-breaking, as Hollywood, and Academia become ever more radically progressive, as Silicon valley becomes ever more totalitarian in their censorship, Trump’s base grows. We grow in numbers, and we grow in anger. And, thus far it’s been mostly peaceful, and civil, contained to an election (2016) that has been attempted to overturn since. From here, things will grow more hostile and, I fear, violent, if Trump supporting Americans are continued to be vilified, dismissed, insulted and attacked.

And that’s another thing non-Trump democrats, and leftists need to understand. There are a lot more of us than you realize. A lot more. The cinched up tolerance and freedom to express thought digitally through social media may have lulled you into a false world view. Existing in an echo chamber, you may feel Trump supporting people are an outlying minority. You’d be wrong. There are Trump supporters everywhere, all around you, and you don’t even realize it. Many, hell, MOST may even be closeted about it, or reluctant to admit it, out of fear of retaliation or castigation, judgment, ruination, but, they’re out there. The silent voting majority. And, given the extreme lengths the left has gone to these past three years, I assure you…that base has grown. I, for example, was anti-Trump, and now am a supporter. I am just one of probably millions or tens of millions. If nothing else, logic dictates that even moderates that dislike Trump would find him favorable to open-border socialists who push identity politics. Understand that the more extreme you get, the more secure you make his position and popularity.

But, this is just one man’s opinion. Take it for what you will.

The above written by Trey Brannon, who worked at The New York Times (2007-2010)
I say the biggest misconception is that Trump supp... (show quote)


Slat that was a great post my friend, and I believe it to be true and to the point.

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Oct 16, 2019 11:30:10   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
slatten49 wrote:
Debeda, I have never doubted either yours or PeeWee's patriotism. I hope you do not doubt mine.


I've never doubted your patriotism, just your reasoning abilities. Trump is bombastic and a tad crude, but he is protecting freedom of speech, religion, right to bear arms, and basically the entire Constitution. He is also going after the neocons who sent you to Nam. All those on the stage last night are far-left and are shoving porn on your grandkids in public schools, destroying women's sports, and want to take your guns, squelch your free speech, and shut down your freedom to worship as you see fit, and steal your money. It's a simple easy choice for me. Freedom or slavery. Both sides are going for all the marbles. I could put my money on Baby Ruth but I'll place all of it on Trump. I sincerely don't see any other choice.

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Oct 16, 2019 11:32:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Peewee wrote:
I've never doubted your patriotism, just your reasoning abilities. Trump is bombastic and a tad crude, but he is protecting freedom of speech, religion, right to bear arms, and basically the entire Constitution. He is also going after the neocons who sent you to Nam. All those on the stage last night are far-left and are shoving porn on your grandkids in public schools, destroying women's sports, and want to take your guns, squelch your free speech, and shut down your freedom to worship as you see fit, and steal your money. It's a simple easy choice for me. Freedom or slavery. Both sides are going for all the marbles. I could put my money on Baby Ruth but I'll place all of it on Trump. I sincerely don't see any other choice.
I've never doubted your patriotism, just your reas... (show quote)

I placed an addendum onto the post to which you're responding.

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Oct 16, 2019 11:50:53   #
herbie
 
grandad phil wrote:
Dear Trey:
I too am tired of many-if not most- of the issues that you have articulated so clearly.
Since DT was elected unfortunately I have a whole new and growing list of topics/issues to add to what I am tired of, a whole added list that is further reducing my respect for our government.
Let me share some of those issues:
enabling one greedy man and his family to further garner riches as a result of his being president and during his time as president; having every poorly thought out half baked opinion of a not very bright
president regenerated on every national media outlet 24/7; having one of the least informed presidents ever making public pronouncements that show near complete ignorance of history, science, economics, etc; having a leader that has institutionalize lying on just about every topic and without shame; having a leader that sees his time in office as the opportunity to further enrich that 1% of the wealthiest Americans and getting the 99% of the rest of us to pay for it; and possibly 100 other things that DT has done since in office that has debased my respect for the Office, government and the
Country
Dear Trey: br I too am tired of many-if not most- ... (show quote)


Welcome to OPP grandad phil, your reply was spot on and I look forward to hearing from you again.

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Oct 16, 2019 12:04:25   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
My friend, as I similarly wrote to another, I posted that article because, IMO, it thoroughly explained the thoughts of so many. However, I have always been a proud American patriot and thus, remain an adamant never-Trumper. It has always been my intent to present the viewpoints of both those who align with me as well as those who don't. I guess my post just a few above yours somewhat explains my approach on OPP.


I think its this wording that some are questioning - "I have always been a proud American patriot and thus, remain an adamant never-Trumper"

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Oct 16, 2019 12:31:07   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
I think its this wording that some are questioning - "I have always been a proud American patriot and thus, remain an adamant never-Trumper"

Yes, Rose, in retrospect, I could'a/should'a rephrased that. Yet, I meant nothing disparaging with my comment. I offer an open and humble apology to anyone offended.

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Oct 16, 2019 12:55:33   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
slatten49 wrote:
No, you may never call me 'Popeye,' as that insinuates that I'm a dadburn ol' Squid.

Being a US Marine, I reside several evolutionary steps above that of even admirals in the Navy.

Swabbies do, however, serve decent chow in getting us to our chosen desitinations.
img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/ima... (show quote)


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Okay, Marine. Next time you need a ride to some God-forsaken, middle of nowhere, hellhole of an L-Z, get your own boat or plane to take you there. And, while you’re at it, get your own chow-hall, taxi-cab and moving van. 🤫😆😇🤫

“several evolutionary steps above that of even admirals,” my Aunt Franny’s butt! Us Navy guys will always be eons ahead of any Ji-reen on the evolutionary ladder. 🤪🤓🧐

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Oct 16, 2019 13:05:40   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
debeda wrote:


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Why the rolling eyes? Did I say something you couldn’t comprehend?

If you’re going to post, post something with substance to it, and preferably with truth to it. Otherwise, all we can surmise is that we’re way over your head.

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Oct 16, 2019 13:32:42   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
slatten49 wrote:
I placed an addendum onto the post to which you're responding.


I've never thought of us as adversaries. Just two Joe's with strong opinions on what is good, better, and best for our nation.

Everything for me usually boils down to good or evil, Jesus or Satan. Helps me to keep things easy to understand and unconfused. I often fall short of the mark, but I'm never confused when I blow it.

When the D's and Left kicked God out of their party's plank a few years ago it pretty much disgusted me, even though, the powers that be have since reinstated, God. Like they have that power to tell God where He can and can't be. I'm sure God got a good laugh from that move.

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Oct 16, 2019 13:32:47   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
Debeda, I have never doubted either yours or PeeWee's patriotism. I trust you do not doubt mine.

However, in words attributed to Mark Twain..."The rule is perfect: In matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane."


Mark Twain was a clever guy

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Oct 16, 2019 13:34:20   #
debeda
 
alabuck wrote:
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Why the rolling eyes? Did I say something you couldn’t comprehend?

If you’re going to post, post something with substance to it, and preferably with truth to it. Otherwise, all we can surmise is that we’re way over your head.



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Oct 16, 2019 13:34:53   #
debeda
 
Peewee wrote:
I've never thought of us as adversaries. Just two Joe's with strong opinions on what is good, better, and best for our nation.

Everything for me usually boils down to good or evil, Jesus or Satan. Helps me to keep things easy to understand and unconfused. I often fall short of the mark, but I'm never confused when I blow it.

When the D's and Left kicked God out of their party's plank a few years ago it pretty much disgusted me, even though, the powers that be have since reinstated, God. Like they have that power to tell God where He can and can't be. I'm sure God got a good laugh from that move.
I've never thought of us as adversaries. Just two ... (show quote)



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Oct 16, 2019 13:36:11   #
zillaorange
 
slatten49 wrote:
I say the biggest misconception is that Trump supporting Republicans are dumb, uneducated, misinformed, lazy minded, tribalistic xenophobes who base decisions on race or religion. I know the loud minority is the most vocal and easiest to notice and take exception with, but, there’s no denying that observably when anti-trumpets dismiss or criticize the President, they miscategorize all Trump supporters with generalized broad brush labels of misinformed, Fox news watching (as though Fox were any worse than CNN, MSNBC, NYT, HuffPo, the Post, etc.), old, cowardly racists. I particularly find most that use these dehumanizing attacks designed to both condescend, shame into compliance, intimidate or, dismiss are espoused by people who have a very simplistic, tepid understanding of issues or the facts of issues, and yet, do not lack of pride and stubbornness, nor angry vitriol. More often than not, when I push them on issues, they will quickly grow angry, throw out more parroted cliches or fake news, deflect, try and change the subject, and then just insult and slander and flee.

The truth is, most Trump supporting people aren’t dumb. At least, no dumber than those that oppose him. Sure, there are stupid or uninformed Trump fans, and everyone has an anecdotal example. But, there are just as many stupid and uninformed Trump haters. Perhaps more. The simple fact is, most Trump supporting conservatives, classic liberals, walk-away’ers, legal immigrants, etc like Trump because they’re tired. They’re good, moral, humble, hard working, principled, patriotic, proud Americans who are simply tired of the left’s bullshit. Tired of policies that hurt Americans. Tired of being vilified. Tired of being ignored, and our problems dismissed. Tired of our values and culture being mocked, insulted, co-opted or destroyed. Tired of being forced to swallow ever increasingly radical ideology and practices, and labeled an “ist” or “phobe” if we offer even the slightest resistance. Tired of being condescended to by the media, lied to by the media, manipulated by the media. Tired of being met with such bitter, angry, scornful rhetoric. Tired of being guilted. Tired of attacks on our religions (Christianity, Judaism) in favor of submission to other’s religions (environmentalism, Islam). Tired of having the family attacked, divided, destroyed. Tired of criticism of American values, freedoms, ideals. Tired of anti-patriotism. Tired of identity politics, cancel culture, tired of political corruption or political violence, tired of attacks on the 1st and 2nd amendment, tired of a push for socialism, tired of the outright hate, just tired, tired, tired.

And, that is why Trump was elected. And until this is understood, Trump supporters won’t stop backing him. Because, even if there are issues we take with the man (God knows I do), at the end of the day he fights for what WE want. As the media becomes ever increasingly dishonest, hyperbolic, manipulative, and propagandizing, as the democrats become increasingly aggressive, desperate, and rule-breaking, as Hollywood, and Academia become ever more radically progressive, as Silicon valley becomes ever more totalitarian in their censorship, Trump’s base grows. We grow in numbers, and we grow in anger. And, thus far it’s been mostly peaceful, and civil, contained to an election (2016) that has been attempted to overturn since. From here, things will grow more hostile and, I fear, violent, if Trump supporting Americans are continued to be vilified, dismissed, insulted and attacked.

And that’s another thing non-Trump democrats, and leftists need to understand. There are a lot more of us than you realize. A lot more. The cinched up tolerance and freedom to express thought digitally through social media may have lulled you into a false world view. Existing in an echo chamber, you may feel Trump supporting people are an outlying minority. You’d be wrong. There are Trump supporters everywhere, all around you, and you don’t even realize it. Many, hell, MOST may even be closeted about it, or reluctant to admit it, out of fear of retaliation or castigation, judgment, ruination, but, they’re out there. The silent voting majority. And, given the extreme lengths the left has gone to these past three years, I assure you…that base has grown. I, for example, was anti-Trump, and now am a supporter. I am just one of probably millions or tens of millions. If nothing else, logic dictates that even moderates that dislike Trump would find him favorable to open-border socialists who push identity politics. Understand that the more extreme you get, the more secure you make his position and popularity.

But, this is just one man’s opinion. Take it for what you will.

The above written by Trey Brannon, who worked at The New York Times (2007-2010)
I say the biggest misconception is that Trump supp... (show quote)


WOW

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Oct 16, 2019 13:40:36   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Peewee wrote:
I've never thought of us as adversaries. Just two Joe's with strong opinions on what is good, better, and best for our nation.

Everything for me usually boils down to good or evil, Jesus or Satan. Helps me to keep things easy to understand and unconfused. I often fall short of the mark, but I'm never confused when I blow it.

When the D's and Left kicked God out of their party's plank a few years ago it pretty much disgusted me, even though, the powers that be have since reinstated, God. Like they have that power to tell God where He can and can't be. I'm sure God got a good laugh from that move.
I've never thought of us as adversaries. Just two ... (show quote)

Certainly you know that I speak/spoke of us as 'friendly adversaries'...and fellow Texans. Besides, if I quote someone, I have to quote them verbatim.

Just avoid siding with that durn ol' Squid...The Ancient Mariner, BadBobby.

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Oct 16, 2019 14:43:18   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Yes, Rose, in retrospect, I could'a/should'a rephrased that. Yet, I meant nothing disparaging with my comment. I offer an open and humble apology to anyone offended.


I think people knew you weren’t trying to be offensive.

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