Top Military Officers Unload on Trump (Page 2): Therefore Giuliani has NO business going to foreign leaders and telling them what to do to support Trump personally.

kemmer

Pennylynn wrote:

Giuliani is President Trump's personal lawyer, not employed as a government official...

Therefore Giuliani has NO business going to foreign leaders and telling them what to do to support Trump personally.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

kemmer wrote:

Therefore Giuliani has NO business going to foreign leaders and telling them what to do to support Trump personally.

I am not aware this is happening. May I see your source? Thank you.

kemmer

Pennylynn wrote:

I am not aware this is happening. May I see your source? Thank you.

My God, have been avoiding the news for the past week or so?

Gatsby

slatten49 wrote:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.

Just what we need, a "Military Junta" setting Foreign Policy.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Gatsby wrote:

Just what we need, a "Military Junta" setting Foreign Policy.

Clearly, you did not read the article.

kemmer

Gatsby wrote:

Just what we need, a "Military Junta" setting Foreign Policy.

I for one would trust the Pentagon over Giuliani, Trump's lawyer/court jester.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

kemmer wrote:

My God, have been avoiding the news for the past week or so?

Yes.... I have. so, if you do not mind pointing me to a real news article and not an opinion piece, it would be appreciated.

Gatsby

PeterS wrote:

Where was it suggested that anyone in the military... (show quote)

The Military's expertise is in how to Win our nations wars, not when to fight them.

kemmer

Pennylynn wrote:

Yes.... I have. so, if you do not mind pointing me to a real news article and not an opinion piece, it would be appreciated.

Excuse me. I forgot you think truth flows from the WH and everything else is fake news.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

kemmer wrote:

Excuse me. I forgot you think truth flows from the WH and everything else is fake news.

I am asking as a reasonable human to another reasonable human to provide a source for a claim. There is no reason for you to get defensive. If you do not have a source, just say so.....no harm done.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

PeterS wrote:

Name me another president where the following can be said about them and it is true? That's what you left out--that ALL the statements made about him are true.

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists a coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.

What a joke...

I could name at least four in just your lifetime.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

slatten49 wrote:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.

Some is true, some just happenstance, but I wonder if he has any understanding of soldiering. His approach seems to be hit them in the pocketbook. Okay, that will work..until somebody bails them out. He doesn't seem to think about the battlefield and is therea way not to endanger young lives. There is. Quite a few vets myself included would be willing to take their place.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

Some is true, some just happenstance, but I wonder if he has any understanding of soldiering. His approach seems to be hit them in the pocketbook. Okay, that will work..until somebody bails them out. He doesn't seem to think about the battlefield and is therea way not to endanger young lives. There is. Quite a few vets myself included would be willing to take their place.

I hear ya', Rob. My granddaughter's husband is a young Marine about to deploy to the Middle East. I would gladly take his place to avoid the possibility of her and their two daughters losing a husband & Father.

Richard Mondale Loc: Montana

slatten49 wrote:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.

What a load. 'He doesn't give us two months warning.' The President is an Autocrat so he can maneuver quickly. A good commander is unpredictable, Trump is that, so what is the problem of these generals?

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Richard Mondale wrote:

What a load. 'He doesn't give us two months warning.' The President is an Autocrat so he can maneuver quickly. A good commander is unpredictable, Trump is that, so what is the problem of these generals?

Could you please point out where in the article that your apparent quote of "He doesn't give us two months warning" appears

I apparently missed it.

Or, did you...seemingly,like others...fail to read the article due to your preconceptions

Here is an actual take from the article....

"Having never served or been near a battlefield, several of the generals said, Trump exhibits a simplistic, badly outdated notion of soldiers as supremely 'tough'—hard men asked to perform hard and sometimes ugly jobs. He also buys into a severely outdated concept of leadership. The generals, all of whom have led troops in combat, know better than most that war is hard and ugly, but their understanding of 'toughness' goes well beyond the gruff stoicism of a John Wayne movie. Good judgment counts more than toughness."