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Oct 13, 2019 07:07:15   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.

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Oct 13, 2019 07:22:35   #
Kevyn
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrarian.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.

On the abandonment of the Kurds no one is defending his actions, they were for nothing but personal gain and to appease Putin.

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Oct 13, 2019 08:01:54   #
Liberty Tree
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.


Every president has those in the military who do not like him for one reason or another. A critical article like this could be written about any president.

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Oct 13, 2019 08:15:04   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Every president has those in the military who do not like him for one reason or another. A critical article like this could be written about any president.

I would not argue that, L-T. Even former Supreme Commander President Eisenhower had his military critics.

But, this article is about the current commander-in-chief.

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Oct 13, 2019 08:16:56   #
PeterS
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Every president has those in the military who do not like him for one reason or another. A critical article like this could be written about any president.

Name me another president where the following can be said about them and it is true? That's what you left out--that ALL the statements made about him are true.

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists a coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.


What a joke...

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Oct 13, 2019 08:17:41   #
PeterS
 
slatten49 wrote:
I would not argue that, L-T. Even President Eisenhower had his military critics.

But, this article is about the current commander-in-chief.

And the arguments made are true and the critics many, many more...

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Oct 13, 2019 08:21:58   #
Liberty Tree
 
slatten49 wrote:
I would not argue that, L-T. Even former Supreme Commander President Eisenhower had his military critics.

But, this article is about the current commander-in-chief.


One could go out and find many military officers who support Trump. Article should have been titled "Some top military officers unload on Trump."

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Oct 13, 2019 08:35:34   #
Gatsby
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.


When the armed forces decide matters of foreign policy, we will live in a military Dictatorship.

If that happens, then a revolution is in order.

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Oct 13, 2019 09:15:24   #
PeterS
 
Gatsby wrote:
When the armed forces decide matters of foreign policy, we will live in a military Dictatorship.

If that happens, then a revolution is in order.

Where was it suggested that anyone in the military wanted to decide matters of foreign policy? You can consult the military--even act on their suggestions--without a default of power to them.

If you want to understand why it's important to include your military leaders in the matter of decision making--Hitler told his military what, where, and when they were supposed to act. The military was so leary of Hitler that they didn't even act until Hitler gave the green light when the Allies landed in Normandy during the D-Day invasion.

It's Hitler's exclusion of the military in decision making that guaranteed that they would lose the war.

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Oct 14, 2019 07:35:10   #
rjoeholl
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/

Summary:

1) He disdains expertise.
2) He trusts only his own instincts.
3) He resists coherent strategy.
4) He is reflexively contrary.
5) He has a simplistic and antiquated notion of soldiering.


Don't forget, all of these "officers" are ones who Ovomit didn't fire.

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Oct 14, 2019 10:19:44   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
rjoeholl wrote:
Don't forget, all of these "officers" are ones who Ovomit didn't fire.

It would serve you well to actually read the post before you comment. From the opening of the author's comments....

"...a generation of officers have come of age dealing with the practical realities of war. They possess a deep well of knowledge and experience. For the past three years, these highly trained professionals have been commanded by Donald Trump.

To get a sense of what serving Trump has been like, I interviewed officers up and down the ranks, as well as several present and former civilian Pentagon employees. Among the officers I spoke with were four of the highest ranks—three or four stars—all recently retired. All but one served Trump directly; the other left the service shortly before Trump was inaugurated. They come from different branches of the military, but I’ll simply refer to them as 'the generals.' Some spoke only off the record, some allowed what they said to be quoted without attribution, and some talked on the record.

Military officers are sworn to serve whomever v**ers send to the White House. Cognizant of the special authority they hold, high-level officers epitomize respect for the chain of command, and are extremely reticent about criticizing their civilian overseers. That those I spoke with made an exception in Trump’s case is telling, and much of what they told me is deeply disturbing. In 20 years of writing about the military, I have never heard officers in high positions express such alarm about a president. Trump’s pronouncements and orders have already risked catastrophic and unnecessary wars in the Middle East.

The generals I spoke with didn’t agree on everything, but they shared the following five characterizations of Trump’s military leadership."

I suggest reading the entire article sans a closed mind.

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Oct 14, 2019 10:38:44   #
kemmer
 
Gatsby wrote:
When the armed forces decide matters of foreign policy, we will live in a military Dictatorship.

If that happens, then a revolution is in order.

The big problem now is the shadow foreign policy undertaken by Giuliani going around the world and working ONLY for Trump and NOT the USA.

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Oct 14, 2019 10:54:51   #
Cuda2020
 
PeterS wrote:
And the arguments made are true and the critics many, many more...


26, that's how many people have left the Department of Defense under Trump and aside from Mattis, it's not including all the generals who decided to get out too.

The list .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations#Department_of_Defense

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Oct 14, 2019 11:00:50   #
Cuda2020
 
kemmer wrote:
The big problem now is the shadow foreign policy undertaken by Giuliani going around the world and working ONLY for Trump and NOT the USA.


It's amazing that our Constitution doesn't have a quicker remedy to ousting a treasonous president. I think they should be removed until they are cleared of charges. Isn't that what we do with other public offices. If a
police chief was under suspicion of a crime he gets suspended until it is resolved. Definitely not be allowed to run again until the cloud is resolved.

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Oct 14, 2019 11:04:43   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
kemmer wrote:
The big problem now is the shadow foreign policy undertaken by Giuliani going around the world and working ONLY for Trump and NOT the USA.



Giuliani is President Trump's personal lawyer, not employed as a government official. As a civilian, he can meet with anyone who is willing to talk to him. As for my understanding, he is engaged in opposition fact finding that may, or may not, be used in President Trump's ree******n campaign. Some of his travels may overlap the ongoing investigation into the 2016 e******n. He may uncover facts that were left out of the Mueller report or he may not. Try to remember, opposition fact findings is not illegal, as we learned from the DNC hiring a foreign national to write a dossier.

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