JW

That used to be my watchword. (Tolkein fan) It still has merit. Be very careful whose life you demand but know that some lives are better forfeited.

Dan the man

Exactly my thoughts.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

I will private message you on this matter

Iliamna1

After meandering through our justice system, it takes many years, up to 190 months, before an execution is carried out. People actually die if natural causes before the sentence is carried out. How is a quick execution 'cruel and unusual' punishment? How about that BTK (bind, torture ad kill) mass murderer? He got off with a life sentence, despite having tortured and raped 10 women? One good thing about capital punishment, those criminals never have the opportunity to kill again. Ted Bundy (who enjoyed both torture and rape) murdered at least 30 beautiful, young women and managed to escaped his imprisonment twice. There was something so deeply dark and evil inside him, you think he would have quit, but he kept on killing. He certainly deserved the needle. There was one sweet gentleman in Texas (I'm sorry I can't recall his name) who had been convicted of murder and sentenced to execution. His sentence was later reduced to life. And that sentence was later reduced due to good behavior. As soon as he was released, he, and his friend kidnapped a young woman at a car was and you know the routine. She was repeatedly raped for many days and eventually murdered after he had 'used her up,' Wouldn't these men be fine, good neighbors for you and your family?.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Cruel, unusual, and wasteful...

A quick and painless death is not a punishment... It is an end...

There are those who have forfeited their right to breath...

Rose42

Where in the bible does it say we cannot punish anyone?

I remember Tommy's post. It was much ado about his opinion and verses chosen to buttress his opinion rather than relying on what the bible says. Many people do this.

Jesus was and is no pacifist. His disciples carried swords. If he were a pacifist they would not have and He didn't instruct people to not carry swords. In Revelation He comes back as a warrior - which He always has been.

We are to fight against evil, not let it overtake us. That will bring about conflict. We fight when it is justified not out of revenge or hatred.

Fighting back is not the same as turning the other cheek. Turning the other cheek does not apply to violence but insults and personal offenses.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Nicely stated.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Tommy's post was excellently written...

And has challenged me to research and validate my beliefs... As I don't agree...

I suppose it would be simpler to blindly disregard what doesn't suit me... But I wouldn't enjoy the hypocrisy

Rose42

Its not a matter of what suits, its a matter of truth. No blind disregarding. Eyes wide open disregard. When your foundation is shaky you are easily swayed.

I've read scores of very well written articles on false doctrine - by muslims, Catholics, mormons and many others. Also by atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

There is no hypocrisy in knowing when something isn't true.

Iliamna1

Very good points. thanks.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

How do you know the doctrine is false?

Ricktloml

When there is no doubt about the guilt of the accused for a heinous crime, you are right...it isn't punishment, it is justice. And since the original post involved redemption, Almighty God told us the same thing, send the criminal to Him, and the example could make people think twice. At the very least that one criminal will never have the opportunity to be a repeat offender

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Life in prison is the answer... with labor, not designer cells with all the luxuries.

There are lots of converts in prison who are serving their time in prison serving the Lord. Capital punishments removes that possibility.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I am saving this argument for your thread..

I think I have a good angle... But now I am trying to find chinks in it...

I'm sure you'll find one that I've missed.. And will probably be able to counter my arguments and take the field...But I mean to make you pay for every inch

Smedley_buzkill

Cruel and unusual used to have a different meaning. Now, the most heinous murderer or child rapist can put off a death sentence on the grounds it might smart some while his worthless life is ended. Hog tie the bastards, hook them to the back of a pickup truck, and drag their asses down a gravel road till they're dead. Make it a pay-per-view. Any criminal of that sort who gets life in prison ought to spend every day of what's left of that life doing brutally hard physical labor.