Let's face it!
Aug 21, 2019 21:22:37 #
Stratman911 wrote:
Here's something obviously nobody has ever explain... (show quote)
Is it really socialism when the citizens of a community meet abd decide together to pool their money and establish a fire department to help and protect everyone's property? Same thing when the citizens themselves vote to establish a police department for the benefit of everyone? Same thing wgen the citizens together decide the main street in their town should be paved and put in the money to do that? Or when the citizens decide their town should have a library for the public and decide to allocate fees on themselves to finance It? Is all this, benefits for citizens decided upon by citizens agreeing to pay for their mutual benefit?
Aug 21, 2019 21:28:59 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
You got it, Gman, no government--local, county, st... (show quote)
Governments do generate income, in several ways: taxes, tariffs, fees, bonds, etc. North Dakota gets the profits from the state owned bank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_Dakota.
Aug 21, 2019 21:30:13 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
What is fair about paying other peoples bills?
Yes, one program our country does have that is pure socialism is our federal welfare programs. These are socialism because our government takes money, forcibly, from those who work and pay taxes to give to those who refuse to work and pay taxes. Today, this has gone way beyond the usual socialism in thst our government forces its citizens who pay taxes to pay for the support of tens of millions of foreign noncitizens through welfare, free education for their children, free medical care through our hospitals/clinics, etc. Now, that may be socialism, but I call it stealing from citizens to give to foreigner noncitizens.
Aug 21, 2019 21:32:08 #
debeda wrote:
I did not take that away from his post. The fact is we pay taxes. Local, state and federal. These taxes are to support our communities, states and the federal government. Were we to do all services as pay per use, there would be no need for any form of government, nor for payment of taxes.
And what do you think it would be like to be poor in such a system?
Aug 21, 2019 21:34:54 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Might be a good thing to mention that about 70 per... (show quote)
And what was your incentive, when you were a volunteer firefighter?
Aug 21, 2019 21:37:09 #
maryjane wrote:
Is it really socialism when the citizens of a comm... (show quote)
That all sounds pretty much like commongoodism.
Aug 21, 2019 22:01:39 #
maryjane wrote:
Yes, one program our country does have that is pur... (show quote)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/08/robert_reich_socialism_for_the_rich_capitalism_for_the_rest.html
About those "tens of millions of foreign noncitizens":
https://econofact.org/do-immigrants-cost-native-born-taxpayers-money
Wherein:
Estimates of the fiscal impacts of immigrants are complex and depend on the time horizon chosen for the analysis. Over the long horizon such estimates, under the most likely scenarios, generally find that immigrants are not a significant fiscal drain. The evidence does not suggest that current immigrant flows cost native-born taxpayers money over the long-run nor does it provide support for the notion that lowering immigration quotas or stepping up enforcement of existing immigration laws would generate savings to existing taxpayers. We do see, however, that there is a disconnect in the level of government that bears the greatest costs of immigration (state and local governments) versus the level which reaps the greatest tax rewards (federal). Overall, immigrants contribute substantially to paying for public expenditures, including sharing in the burden of paying back public debt.
Aug 21, 2019 22:10:52 #
maryjane wrote:
Is it really socialism when the citizens of a comm... (show quote)
More community and cooperation I'd say. Socialism and communism aren't grass roots like that. It's all top down.
Aug 21, 2019 22:12:07 #
acknowledgeurma wrote:
And what do you think it would be like to be poor in such a system?
You're pushing your own narrative that was no ones subject but your own
Aug 21, 2019 22:15:12 #
debeda wrote:
More community and cooperation I'd say. Socialism and communism aren't grass roots like that. It's all top down.
And what is a corporation if not top down? Just as there are many different kinds of capitalism, there are many different kinds of socialism.
Aug 21, 2019 22:19:25 #
debeda wrote:
You're pushing your own narrative that was no ones subject but your own
"[My] narrative" is just following the logic of "...government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Capitalism good; socialism bad.
Aug 21, 2019 22:23:21 #
acknowledgeurma wrote:
And what is a corporation if not top down? Just as there are many different kinds of capitalism, there are many different kinds of socialism.
A corporation never pretends to be "owned by the people".
Aug 21, 2019 22:30:36 #
debeda wrote:
A corporation never pretends to be "owned by the people".
More's the pity.
Aug 21, 2019 22:46:36 #
debeda wrote:
A corporation never pretends to be "owned by the people".
Saw a movie tonight about East Germany after the war. The speeches given to the "people" were exactly the speeches given today by the kommiecrat kandidates. Good for everyone, not just you. No "me" in your thinking or work.
Scary that it's resurfaced so soon after the Berlin wall came down.
Aug 21, 2019 22:48:42 #
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Saw a movie tonight about East Germany after the war. The speeches given to the "people" were exactly the speeches given today by the kommiecrat kandidates. Good for everyone, not just you. No "me" in your thinking or work.
Scary that it's resurfaced so soon after the Berlin wall came down.
Scary that it's resurfaced so soon after the Berlin wall came down.
AGREED 100%, Mikey
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