Let's face it!
Aug 25, 2019 16:59:29 #
debeda wrote:
Chaos.....havent you ever run a business or been in any position of authority? Mostly, the workers want to make the best deal PERSONALLY, and have little to no understanding of the big picture or how to keep things running. Which is why full on socialism grinds productivity and commerce to a halt EVERY TIME 
Have you ever worked in a cooperative?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_the_Debt_Trap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mond**gon_Corporation
Aug 25, 2019 17:07:16 #
debeda wrote:
Chaos.....havent you ever run a business or been in any position of authority? Mostly, the workers want to make the best deal PERSONALLY, and have little to no understanding of the big picture or how to keep things running. Which is why full on socialism grinds productivity and commerce to a halt EVERY TIME
Sometimes their jaws would drop.
Mr. Mike, you can't do that!
I'd say, look at the window, whose name is on it?
Nobody has more to lose than I do, we're going through with it.
Then they would tell me that I had the vision, and the move worked. But they only had really good hindsight, and eventually, they left all the vision stuff to me.
Aug 25, 2019 17:29:23 #
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Have you ever worked in a cooperative?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_the_Debt_Trap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mond**gon_Corporation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_the_Debt_Trap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mond**gon_Corporation
In a cooperative there are a finite number of people who choose to BE in the cooperative and educate themselves as to what is required. Comparing apples and rutabagas
Aug 25, 2019 17:30:48 #
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Sometimes their jaws would drop.
Mr. Mike, you can't do that!
I'd say, look at the window, whose name is on it?
Nobody has more to lose than I do, we're going through with it.
Then they would tell me that I had the vision, and the move worked. But they only had really good hindsight, and eventually, they left all the vision stuff to me.
Mr. Mike, you can't do that!
I'd say, look at the window, whose name is on it?
Nobody has more to lose than I do, we're going through with it.
Then they would tell me that I had the vision, and the move worked. But they only had really good hindsight, and eventually, they left all the vision stuff to me.
Yep. That's the way it works
Everyone has good ideas but not everyone can hold the vision and big pictureAug 25, 2019 18:35:20 #
debeda wrote:
In a cooperative there are a finite number of people who choose to BE in the cooperative and educate themselves as to what is required. Comparing apples and rutabagas
Yes, "Comparing apples and rutabagas".
In one case, there is the owner telling the workers what to do and how much they will get for their labor.
In the other, there are the workers deciding what to do and deciding how much they will get for their labor.
Aug 25, 2019 18:44:25 #
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Suppose the workers "owned" APS. Suppose APS income was distributed by the workers.
Suppose you lived in Venezuela. That's what would happen.
Semper Fi
Aug 25, 2019 21:08:11 #
GmanTerry wrote:
Suppose you lived in Venezuela. That's what would happen.
Semper Fi
Semper Fi
http://www.geo.coop/blog/some-counter-intuitive-effects-government-support-co-ops-venezuela
https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/11034
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