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Aug 21, 2019 20:15:57   #
Cuda2020
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Public education has become an institutional form of child abuse. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/the_demise_of_public_education.html


The American Thinker, AKA The American Stinker, yeah let's go there, Gee Zoo you're really reaching today.

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Aug 21, 2019 20:18:15   #
acknowledgeurma
 
debeda wrote:
I agree, Terry. At this point those of us over 55 who even just went K - 12 probably have a better education than kids coming out of college these days...

Dream on fogy.

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Aug 21, 2019 20:20:30   #
debeda
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Dream on fogy.


In your ma

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Aug 21, 2019 20:28:08   #
Cuda2020
 
GmanTerry wrote:
The facts are out there for everyone to see daily. Just watch reporters on the street asking university students questions that we older generation learned in school. How many justices are on the Supreme Court? What is the Bill of Rights? How many Senators are there? What is the Electoral College and what does it do? What are the terms for Congressmen, Senators and the President? These kids know nothing. How can they make informed decisions when they are totally ignorant how the government of our Republic is supposed to work? They learn that open borders are good and socialism is even better. Where did they learn these things? The schools are now an extension of the Democrat Party and the kids are only taught to love leftest ideas and hate the country they were born in. That is the sad truth. The left owns the entire education system and brain washes our kids. Crap like the Department of Education are the problem. The Constitution makes no provisions for the Federal Government to stick it's nose into the education of our children. Everything, EVERYTHING, the Feds are involved in is political and education should be politics free. The left already own the future because they have indoctrinated all our kids to be good socialist comrades.

Oh, and now comes the answers from the left. Why don't the right take charge of education if it's so bad. Because the left owns the teacher's unions and you have to belong to the union to teach. That's why we can't take back education.

Sorry, but this is a real hot button for me.

Semper Fi
The facts are out there for everyone to see daily.... (show quote)


Being against public education is what has been indoctrinated into your minds from the propaganda machine. Schools, by state and local districts, have a wide girth on their methodology of teaching and nothing to do with unions or the federal government. For federal funding, there is only attendance and a standard relatively low bar they have to achieve. Unhappy with your local school, go to their meetings.

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Aug 21, 2019 20:28:19   #
acknowledgeurma
 
debeda wrote:
In your ma


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Aug 21, 2019 20:31:54   #
Cuda2020
 
bahmer wrote:
Public education started to go downhill when they removed the Holy Bible from the books that they taught from and started to go to those secular books. Up until that point they were being taught by the Lord and they received the best education in the world then after that not so much.


Being from raised in a blue state a Bible was never part of our teaching, you want religion go to your church or a private religious indoctrinated school you pay for.

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Aug 21, 2019 21:09:32   #
debeda
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Being against public education is what has been indoctrinated into your minds from the propaganda machine. Schools, by state and local districts, have a wide girth on their methodology of teaching and nothing to do with unions or the federal government. For federal funding, there is only attendance and a standard relatively low bar they have to achieve. Unhappy with your local school, go to their meetings.


In Illinois, which has a new dem governor and dem legislature, there was a bill passed in July which will require all public schools, beginning in the 2020/21 school year, to teach LGBTQ history as part of the curriculum. There was no talk at the local districts of this legislation until it was a done deal. Do you agree with this? I don't. Full term abortion (infanticide) was also legalized, among many other egregious policies that truly do nothing good for the average Illinois citizens. All done in LESS THAN 6 MONTHS of the governor and new legislature being sworn in. The only good thing to come of it is the fact that they're all gonna be gone in the next election because many, many people were left stunned and disgusted by these policies.

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Aug 21, 2019 21:22:37   #
rumitoid
 
debeda wrote:
In Illinois, which has a new dem governor and dem legislature, there was a bill passed in July which will require all public schools, beginning in the 2020/21 school year, to teach LGBTQ history as part of the curriculum. There was no talk at the local districts of this legislation until it was a done deal. Do you agree with this? I don't. Full term abortion (infanticide) was also legalized, among many other egregious policies that truly do nothing good for the average Illinois citizens. All done in LESS THAN 6 MONTHS of the governor and new legislature being sworn in. The only good thing to come of it is the fact that they're all gonna be gone in the next election because many, many people were left stunned and disgusted by these policies.
In Illinois, which has a new dem governor and dem ... (show quote)


Public education, a taboo for most of history, is the basic ground of a free society. Every Government wanted you ignorant because they knew of the unstoppable power of knowledge.

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Aug 21, 2019 21:51:19   #
JoyV
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
The first step is for every Conservative and Republican to take a real interest in their child's education. Family dinners without cell phones where serious questions are asked about what they learned that day and what the liberal teachers tried to teach them. Then protest and even take the schools to court if they are not being taught fundamental education and instead being fed propaganda. It is up to them before anyone else.

Next, those without kids, make sure by voting in good legislatures and school board members, etc, that are interested in making America greater by educating kids in basic principals, science, math, etc. and not propaganda.

It all starts yesterday. Do your share.
The first step is for every Conservative and Repub... (show quote)


Agreed!

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Aug 21, 2019 21:54:41   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
Not a single verifiable fact or source, essentially just the usual Right wing whine favoring liberals. Give some proof or at least a point of reference. You guys seem to accept these unsubstantiated accusations, conforming to your propaganda, with ease and without thought.

Which is not say that our educational system does not need a great amount of work to change, government support, and a restructuring of the Dept. of Education, starting with the no-nothing Betsy DeVos and her cockeyed shenanigans.
Not a single verifiable fact or source, essentiall... (show quote)


So who would you blame for the failure of public aducation for several decades? Did DeVos' actions result in time traveling effects? And what actions of hers have led to our public education not teaching the basics like math, english, writing, civics, and science?

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Aug 21, 2019 22:04:09   #
JoyV
 
working class stiff wrote:
Wonder no more. It's pretty clear the right is up to promoting and carrying out violence.

https://www.salon.com/2019/07/24/fbi-director-to-congress-most-domestic-terror-cases-are-driven-by-white-supremacist-violence/

Here are some more numbers to digest about the uptick in political violence:

https://csbs.csusb.edu/sites/csusb_csbs/files/2018%20Hate%20Final%20Report%205-14.pdf

So have no fear....the President has sent, at best, mixed messages on whether political violence will be tolerated.
Wonder no more. It's pretty clear the right is u... (show quote)


But how is white supremacy defined? For example, if you are for enforcing our borders, the left calls you a racist or a white supremacist. If you speak out against the violence of Antifa, you are a NAZI or white supremacist. If you are FOR voter IDs, you are a white supremacist. If you were, or favor the TeaParty, you are a white supremacist. If you are a patriot, you are a white supremacist. If you are a Constitutionalist you are a white supremacist. If you condemn insult to our flag or anthem, you are a white supremacist. So without a clear definition of what a white supremacist is, th numbers are meaningless.

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Aug 21, 2019 22:07:38   #
JoyV
 
GmanTerry wrote:
The facts are out there for everyone to see daily. Just watch reporters on the street asking university students questions that we older generation learned in school. How many justices are on the Supreme Court? What is the Bill of Rights? How many Senators are there? What is the Electoral College and what does it do? What are the terms for Congressmen, Senators and the President? These kids know nothing. How can they make informed decisions when they are totally ignorant how the government of our Republic is supposed to work? They learn that open borders are good and socialism is even better. Where did they learn these things? The schools are now an extension of the Democrat Party and the kids are only taught to love leftest ideas and hate the country they were born in. That is the sad truth. The left owns the entire education system and brain washes our kids. Crap like the Department of Education are the problem. The Constitution makes no provisions for the Federal Government to stick it's nose into the education of our children. Everything, EVERYTHING, the Feds are involved in is political and education should be politics free. The left already own the future because they have indoctrinated all our kids to be good socialist comrades.

Oh, and now comes the answers from the left. Why don't the right take charge of education if it's so bad. Because the left owns the teacher's unions and you have to belong to the union to teach. That's why we can't take back education.

Sorry, but this is a real hot button for me.

Semper Fi
The facts are out there for everyone to see daily.... (show quote)


I totally agree with you!!!!

Semper Forte

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Aug 21, 2019 22:09:20   #
debeda
 
rumitoid wrote:
Public education, a taboo for most of history, is the basic ground of a free society. Every Government wanted you ignorant because they knew of the unstoppable power of knowledge.


True. Which is why our founders wanted public education.

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Aug 21, 2019 22:13:45   #
JoyV
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Being against public education is what has been indoctrinated into your minds from the propaganda machine. Schools, by state and local districts, have a wide girth on their methodology of teaching and nothing to do with unions or the federal government. For federal funding, there is only attendance and a standard relatively low bar they have to achieve. Unhappy with your local school, go to their meetings.


Nothing to do with the teacher's union???? Any teacher who dies not commit a crime and wind up in the criminal justice system CANNOT be fired due to the power of the teacher's union!!! When a teacher tells a student who won't tow the left narrative that he is stupid and will never amount to anything, encourages the classmates to ridicule him; the school CANNOT fire the teacher due to the teacher's union.

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Aug 21, 2019 22:20:23   #
JoyV
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Being from raised in a blue state a Bible was never part of our teaching, you want religion go to your church or a private religious indoctrinated school you pay for.


While I agree that the Bible, or any other religious book, has no place in the classroom; I do believe religious books should be available in the school library--especially in high school. But the way things stand not, there is FAR more religion taught in schools than there was in the 50s. But the religions being taught as young as elementary schools are Islam and Atheism. NO religion should be taught in public schools. Not JUST the elimination of Christian teaching while embracing Islam.

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