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Aug 13, 2019 14:35:17   #
JohnCorrespondent
 
Seth wrote:
"Do you know the difference between Sharia and Sunni?" pretty much sums up that you have no clue what you're talking about.

It's an apples and oranges thing, like asking "Do you know the difference between a Cajun and the Napoleonic Code?"
"Do you know the difference between Sharia an... (show quote)


Why didn't you point out that error before I did? I have to even point out my own errors to you, to help you along in an argument.

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Aug 13, 2019 15:01:59   #
JohnCorrespondent
 
Seth wrote:
I've been to Israel three times, once at 17 as a member of Hashomer H'atzair, but didn't work on the Kibbutz because I already had plans to enter the U.S. Coast Guard, instead spending time with family in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and twice since 2000 in a consulting capacity. I actually learned at least as much as I imparted, not bad for a few weeks' work.

I also worked in Pakistan and northern Iraq, each briefly, on "more than just consulting" jobs. I found Pakistan a shithole, and you can keep Iraq.

Back to Israel, the fact of the matter is that the "Palestinian" leadership is the only reason the "Palestinians" don't have the statehood they didn't even have to begin with. Every time it's been on the table, their corrupt leaders sabotaged negotiations via terrorism or other means. They want the whole enchilada (assuming, of course, that you can get a hallal enchilada someplace), which they're not going to get.

With all the money that flows to them via UNWRA (the UN Works & Relief Agency), a refugee fund that was created only to resettle "Palestinian" refugees, the number of "refugees" in the late 1940s has multiplied into the millions because most of the money "flows" into the numbered accounts of their fearless leaders (Remember when Arafat died and his wife inherited hundreds of millions in a Swiss account? Where do you suppose that came from?) or into weapons and explosives.

A large number of UNWRA personnel are members of Hamas and other militant organizations, and they have no ambitions toward a peaceful solution, only continued violence until they have entirely exterminated or otherwise emptied the region of Jews.

I linked an article in a former reply to you regarding the demonstrations in Gaza and the brutal crackdown by Hamas, who constitute the government there. There are no human rights in Gaza and Hamas presides over broken infrastructure and rampant unemployment, only because they want no peace with Israel and the Jews and are concerned only with making war.

The kerfuffle over "peaceful" "Palestinian" protesters being shot by Israeli soldiers during the hostilities over President Trump moving our embassy to Jerusalem was heavily misreported, again by biased media -- Hamas tangos were using people as human shields in an attempt to get over or through the wall carrying weapons and explosive devices, and later even Hamas admitted that most of those killed were their own "fighters."

As I posted previously, I know some "Palestinians" in San Francisco who told me years ago that they had only left their homes and come to America because of the oppressive existence over there caused by their leaders' corruption and violence -- they all said that they"d been treated just fine by the Jews, it was their own leadership they had problems with.

One primary reason their leaders, especially Hamas, prefer squalor and poverty for their people and strive to maintain those conditions is because it's those very environs that more easily enable terrorist recruitment; if everyone leads contented lives, candidates for jihad are somewhat thin on the ground.

Unfortunately, modern world media being what it is and the fact that the UN Human Rights Commission is stocked with members from countries whose governments wouldn't know a human right if it walked up and introduced itself, most of the "news" and "information" that comes out of the region is profoundly biased against Israel and much of it is based on "Palestinian" generated anti-Israel propaganda.

As for CAIR, a large part of their operations deals with blocking U.S. and local law enforcement efforts to protect our country and its citizens from terrorism -- they use legal action in many cases, intimidation in others. And, several of CAIR's members have in past been deported for various types of involvement with Hamas, including raising funds for their terrorist operations.
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Where you wrote, "As I posted previously, I know some "Palestinians" in San Francisco who told me years ago that they had only left their homes and come to America because of the oppressive existence over there caused by their leaders' corruption and violence -- they all said that they"d been treated just fine by the Jews, it was their own leadership they had problems with.": If true, then that's the part of your reply that I find more convincing than the rest of it.

Good for you that you were actually there, in the Middle East and Israel, in person; but you didn't say which parts of Palestine you visited (if any), nor with whom. (But you did talk with some Palestinian-Americans.)

From your description I get the impression you are Jewish; I suppose that, regarding Israel and Palestine, being Jewish might bias your thinking and what you tend to see about them. Most USA people would share a Jewish bias anyway.

The Palestinian-American (who grew up in the West Bank), with whom I had lunch, liked Jews but deplored the Israeli government's policies or behaviors.

Descriptions of Israeli violence and other wrongs gets filtered such that most of the U.S. doesn't see it. Some of the U.S. media may start to catch up to it (and most of the other nations seem to have already done so) but you can always label all of them biased.

Iraq is not mine to keep.

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Aug 13, 2019 17:52:46   #
Seth
 
JohnCorrespondent wrote:
You think you recognize enemies better than I do.

Do you also think that you recognize friends better than I do?

The thinking in your reply post would be okay (maybe, I suppose) as long as you (individually or collectively) don't start any unnecessary wars, nor unnecessarily damage anyone on smaller scales.

I'm not familiar with the oats and ivy nursery rhyme or whatever it is, but I interpret it as an attempt to cast "us folks" as too naive. You also use "nice" to similar effect (though not applied directly to us folks, in that instance).

One thing I don't think I've seen yet: a violent person, or one who supports a lot of killing or violence, however obtuse or wrong s/he may be, depicted as a "naive" person. Wrong or arrogant, maybe, but not "naive". S/he may actually _be_ naive but will not be called naive.

As a boy growing up among boys, two of the things I learned were that, (1) among boys, "nice" applied to a boy is (often) derogatory, and (2) one must prepare for violence (either to support a future war or to stand up to other boys -- good arguments are sometimes not enough). Fortunately my last incident of violence, thus far, was before I turned 18, after which time one can get a bad record for it as an adult (except when directing the violence toward an authoritatively marked enemy). One must still always be ready for violence, anyway, until death, which itself is sort of violent also. But (incidentally) some men think a different way; I met one who said he had not learned to fight, and wasn't interested in learning how, because there would probably be no more than about 3 times he'd be faced with violence in his life, and he could just lose those and get on with the rest of his life, without wasting his time learning about violence.
You think you recognize enemies better than I do. ... (show quote)


I have been face-to-face with such people on their home turf, only a couple of times but the experiences were enough to occasionally make me wake up with the last memory of a "dream" being the face of one of them... Anyway, suffice to say the experiences were nothing nice.

I have friends and colleagues, including one whose live-aboard sailboat I'm currently boat sitting, who have a steady diet of meeting and dealing with such Islamic psychotics in several countries, doing security work that puts them in harm's way fairly regularly in some pretty screwed up parts of the middle east and sub-Saharan Africa.

These Islamists are people who believe strongly enough in their ultimate goals that they can move in next door to you, have you over for a barbecue, babysit your kids, smile, be friendly, caring and warm, then when the time comes cheerfully cut your and your children's throats while you plead for mercy, laughing and joking about the begging with one another.

It's part of taqiyya.

Just hope that your naivety on the subject isn't one day shattered in a less than pleasant way.

Anyone who's confronted any of this evil in its violent state recognizes it when they see it in its "sleeper" state, and it oozes from Ilhan Omar.

As I've posted before, the mainstream media, for purely political reasons, ignores all the crap that Muslim refugees, as their numbers continue to grow, are bringing to Europe and would love to bring here.

Once here, as in Europe and unlike most Caucasian American families, they have a lot of children. The idea that their being raised in the U.S. will be enough to make them share our western sensibilities is pure rubbish, their worldview will be shaped by their parents, jihadi indoctrination websites and the imams at their family mosques.

In case you haven't noticed, a number of our so-called "home grown" jihadis have been second generation "Americans."

So like most of the Americans who enjoy blissful ignorance, despite the things they do read and hear about Islam in today's world, by all means remain in the dark, right up until that darkness comes to claim you and yours.

I've seen what the gullible and the reality challenged have done in various places via their votes, and will have no problem, no feeling whatsoever if and when those votes come back to do a lot more than simply bite you on ass.

I'll be too busy protecting myself and other people who haven't been stupid enough to vote us into disaster, and won't waste a word, gesture or bullet on saving any of your "school of thought."

My only thought will be "you brought it here, endangering the rest of us, now you own it."

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Aug 13, 2019 19:01:33   #
DM
 
You bet "we own it"....that is why this garbage of SOCIALISM and the hate that the Dem hopefuls are
spreading with their ignorance and their "we want all those people from the border" is just plain
ignorance and fine when we could keep track of them. The Lunatic Dems have destroyed any sense
of doing anything with the right restrictions. Their only goal is "get Trump" and make life miserable
for the REAL AMERICANS who have worked hard, gone by the rules and made this America where
people REALLY WANT to be. It isn't these "comics" running for President on the Liberal side that know
anything about what comes after all the idiotic promises of FREE THIS, FREE THAT. Somehow they
don't have a clue how it will be paid for, the x number they have LET SLIP THROUGH and into our
country that THEY ALONE ARE DESTROYING with their stupidity in not having legal restrictions to
let these people come in who aren't breaking the law. But....let them...by Nov., the people who have
listened to them will know as THEY ARE INTELLIGENT and not ignorant as the 20 some or more
by Nov. ....Doubt it, there isn't going to be money for those "clowns" to even BE IN THE RACE
TO THE WHITE HOUSE. It takes a lot of "THINKING" AND they are like rats running around in a circle and as the Top Dog...(it seems) Old Joe will be out by the middle of next summer. My prediction...his energy
is slowing dropping and will be interesting to see JUST WHO will be the nominee, won't it?

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Aug 13, 2019 19:35:25   #
Seth
 
DM wrote:
You bet "we own it"....that is why this garbage of SOCIALISM and the hate that the Dem hopefuls are
spreading with their ignorance and their "we want all those people from the border" is just plain
ignorance and fine when we could keep track of them. The Lunatic Dems have destroyed any sense
of doing anything with the right restrictions. Their only goal is "get Trump" and make life miserable
for the REAL AMERICANS who have worked hard, gone by the rules and made this America where
people REALLY WANT to be. It isn't these "comics" running for President on the Liberal side that know
anything about what comes after all the idiotic promises of FREE THIS, FREE THAT. Somehow they
don't have a clue how it will be paid for, the x number they have LET SLIP THROUGH and into our
country that THEY ALONE ARE DESTROYING with their stupidity in not having legal restrictions to
let these people come in who aren't breaking the law. But....let them...by Nov., the people who have
listened to them will know as THEY ARE INTELLIGENT and not ignorant as the 20 some or more
by Nov. ....Doubt it, there isn't going to be money for those "clowns" to even BE IN THE RACE
TO THE WHITE HOUSE. It takes a lot of "THINKING" AND they are like rats running around in a circle and as the Top Dog...(it seems) Old Joe will be out by the middle of next summer. My prediction...his energy
is slowing dropping and will be interesting to see JUST WHO will be the nominee, won't it?
You bet "we own it"....that is why this ... (show quote)


The nominee, whoever it is, will have the supreme honor of having his or her ass kicked in a humiliating defeat at the hands of President Trump.

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Aug 13, 2019 20:33:49   #
GmanTerry
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What are you, some kind of super-intellectual or something? You have it all figured out, do you? Ever served in the military? A combat unit?

Due to civil wars that began in 1991, by 1993, thousands of Somalis had been killed, Somalia's agriculture had been destroyed and 300,000 Somalis had died of starvation. The international community began to send food supplies to halt the starvation, but vast amounts of food were hijacked and brought to local clan leaders, who routinely exchanged it with other countries for weapons. An estimated 80 percent of the food was stolen.

The Rangers and Delta were sent there to arrest Mohammed Farrah Aidid, the warlord who was responsible for most of the deaths and starvation and who was about to install himself as the president of Somalia. It was called Operation Restore Hope.

It was entirely a humanitarian effort. What was on the Rangers' minds was they had orders to do a job, they knew the purpose of their mission. That was all that mattered. The troops weren't there to "visit", or to "understand", or to conduct some kind of cultural study or undergo diversity training.

And, yeah, Rangers are trained to kill when necessary. In October 1993, it was necessary. Aidid's militia made gave them no choice. They lost 18 men doing so.

And, you're one of those fools who thinks that a woman who spent the most formative years of her life in an environment of such strife was able to undergo some sort of metamorphosis and purge all of that. Ilhan Omar has not by any stretch assimilated into our American way of life, she brought all that shit with her. She is undoubtedly a pro-Sharia, anti-Semitic Muslim. She has no freaking business bringing that influence into our government.
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Semper Fi

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Aug 13, 2019 20:53:31   #
Seth
 
JohnCorrespondent wrote:
Why didn't you point out that error before I did? I have to even point out my own errors to you, to help you along in an argument.


But... You strike me as an infallible intellectual powerhouse whose every statement, in addition to carrying profound gravity, is expressed intentionally and with the greatest of care.

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Aug 13, 2019 22:10:17   #
Carol Kelly
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Doesn't matter what his platforms, he will lose HUUUUUGE for a variety of reasons already laid out, but in addition, he running as an INDEPENDENT, against a republican, and the incumbent Omar.

Can you spell L O S E R?

kelly won't get support from mainstream repubs, and unless he is rich, which he isn't, he won't have enough money.


I think you’re wrong. I hope you’re wrong.

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Aug 13, 2019 22:11:20   #
Carol Kelly
 
Seth wrote:
But... You strike me as an infallible intellectual powerhouse whose every statement, in addition to carrying profound gravity, is expressed intentionally and with the greatest of care.


Ditto.💤

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Aug 14, 2019 03:25:00   #
Seth
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Ditto.💤



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Aug 14, 2019 22:01:47   #
JohnCorrespondent
 
Seth wrote:

Anyone who's confronted any of this evil in its violent state recognizes it when they see it in its "sleeper" state, and it oozes from Ilhan Omar.

But not from Donald Trump?

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Aug 14, 2019 22:19:47   #
JohnCorrespondent
 
Seth wrote:
But... You strike me as an infallible intellectual powerhouse whose every statement, in addition to carrying profound gravity, is expressed intentionally and with the greatest of care.


It is true that I work at making my posts good (even to the point of correcting my own errors sometimes when I notice them after posting). However, I made no claim to perfection; that was just something that others try to saddle me with, as though I had claimed it for myself.

I notice how you used the words "intellectual" and "care". This next thing is not about you particularly, nor about me particularly; but it sometimes happens that when people have the better argument and are able to express it, then those with worse arguments, rather than meet intellect and care with intellect and care, instead disparage intellect and care.

That partially explains why we get a charming actor (Reagan), or a homey inarticulate person (GWBush), or a bully, as President, rather than the better qualified candidates. About half, or maybe more than half, of the people in the U.S. prefer a president who doesn't act intellectual nor too thoughtful. (Thoughtfulness is scary to roughly the same group of U.S. people, because it might uncover truths they'd rather not know.) The U.S. has an anti-intellectual streak.

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Aug 14, 2019 22:24:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
JohnCorrespondent wrote:
It is true that I work at making my posts good (even to the point of correcting my own errors sometimes when I notice them after posting). However, I made no claim to perfection; that was just something that others try to saddle me with, as though I had claimed it for myself.

I notice how you used the words "intellectual" and "care". This next thing is not about you particularly, nor about me particularly; but it sometimes happens that when people have the better argument and are able to express it, then those with worse arguments, rather than meet intellect and care with intellect and care, instead disparage intellect and care.

That partially explains why we get a charming actor (Reagan), or a homey inarticulate person (GWBush), or a bully, as President, rather than the better qualified candidates. About half, or maybe more than half, of the people in the U.S. prefer a president who doesn't act intellectual nor too thoughtful. (Thoughtfulness is scary to roughly the same group of U.S. people, because it might uncover truths they'd rather not know.) The U.S. has an anti-intellectual streak.
It is true that I work at making my posts good (ev... (show quote)
Or, how about a sweet talking, narcissistic, forked tongued, half breed bully.

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Aug 15, 2019 12:15:35   #
Seth
 
JohnCorrespondent wrote:
But not from Donald Trump?


The left has a nasty habit of failing to distinguish between "immigrants" and "illegal immigrants."

They say we are a nation of immigrants, but again, fail to acknowledge the simple fact that we are also a nation of laws, those laws in force to protect those of us already here legally.

President Trump has cited that more crimes, whether drunk driving with fatal results, rape, drug trafficking or murder, are perpetrated by illegals than those we have admitted legally.

I had a personal experience with this when I was a security supervisor in a Nevada casino. A couple of my officers had arrested an illegal for battery. When the arraignment came up, there was a "liberal" pro-tem judge (an attorney substituting for a judge who was on vacation) presiding.

It was revealed that the defendant had been arrested and tried for battery and similar crimes 27 times in the U.S. since being deported as an illegal in Texas years before, and somehow managed to skate every time with time served or probation, and he wasn't even supposed to be here!

The "liberal" pro-tem, at the court appointed lawyer's request, simply gave the defendant 3 months' in a halfway house outpatient program.

This is the very thing you folks on the left espouse, it's what you stand for and what you represent, and it's exactly what the president wants to put an end to.

All this talk of "racism" is a politically motivated crock of feces, and every single Democrat who has lived in NY over the years knows this damned well, they know they are lying through their teeth for political purposes.

I have previously dug up and posted articles from years past which were current at their times of publishing in which, including a video or two, Trump has been thanked at ceremonies by black leaders for assisting in their causes, among them even Jesse Jackson.

However, since Trump became POTUS, all those past contributions seem to have been swept into the black hole of the Democrats' "memories of convenience."

I was watching an interview Ann Coulter gave on Scandinavian TV in which she pointed out, accurately, that illegal labor in this country hurts legally present minorities, including blacks and Hispanics, more than it helps Americans, because it deflates wages of low income and entry level jobs, when it doesn't eliminate employment for these minorities altogether.

The Democrats can intentionally "misinterpret" everything President Trump says all they want, but we "deplorables" know the truth -- what you "progressives" still haven't figured out, but will learn on 3 November 2020 in all its glory, is that there are a lot more of us than there are of you and that unlike far too many of its predecessors, the current administration, aided unwittingly by the very people trying to bring it down (the Democratic Party, the mainstream media, the clueless line-up of Democratic Party primary candidates, Hollywood, "the squad," etc) is showing Americans who have been kept, for far too long, in the dark what has really been going on in Washington DC and particularly in the Democratic Party.

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Aug 15, 2019 14:17:48   #
DM
 
Seth...you are a GEM! Today, the "little Twit" that is rambling on about not being able to be in Israel...why
in Heaven's name would she want to be there...all she's done is try to destroy anything that is good...
she was "itching" for this and it gets her MORE MEDIA...MORE STUPIDTY FOR OUR NATION TO LOOK AT
AND MARVEL AT WHO IN HEAVENS NAME EVEN VOTED FOR SUCH AN IDIOT? (WHO COUNTED THE VOTES
IS WHAT I'M WONDERING? Planted like our former President and WHO was the one that said "maybe
he isn't black enough?" Does that ring a bell? This little twit with all the goings on in North Dakota
going to NDSU..then MN. with all their craziness...is she divorced? Remarried to her brother or is
that the divorce? Seems she has "declined" to discuss THOSE THINGS. She wants this stuff...gives
her more "air time" and more time to pose and look utterly stupid. This is according to their plans. Watch...for the stupidity to come out in FULL FORCE!
As is said on other places...this just makes TRUMP LOOK EVEN BETTER! A MEN!

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