Peewee wrote:
We just disagree then.
Yes, we do.
Peewee wrote:
What were the original boundaries established in 1948? I believe it was from the Jordan River to the coast.
That a little oversimplified and basically incorrect... The original boundaries were established by the U.N. when they granted Israel it's sovereignty in 1948. Before that it was all Palestine under the British Mandate.
Peewee wrote:
There have been a couple of wars since them. I believe in war, the winner gets the spoils, especially if they were attacked first.
Ultimately, you could say that anyone with enough power can do whatever they want but that doesn't always justify their actions. But you seem to be suggesting a rule and the only rules that currently apply to disputed territory are the international agreements that Israel continues to violate. I also disagree with your suggestion that Israel was attacked. The first war since the Israel was established as a sovereign state was in 1956, the so-called "second" Arab-Israeli war, which started when Israel attacked Egypt.
The second war was in 1967, the so-called "third" Arab-Israeli War which started when Israel again attacked Egypt. Israel justified their attacks by saying that Egypt closed the Straights of Tiran to Israeli shipping, which they did, but that’s not the same thing as attacking their country.
The third war was in 1973 and in this case the Arabs did mobilize first but they didn't actually attack Israel. The Egyptians moved forces into the Sinai, which was still internationally recognized as part of Egypt and the Syrians moved into the Golan Heights which was still internationally recognized as part of Syria.
If you're wondering why I haven't mentioned the first Arab-Israeli war, it's because despite the Arab offenses, Israel technically didn't exist yet. This was in 1947 and “Israel” was literally a stateless terrorist organization that did the same thing ISIS was trying to do by declaring a “rightful” domain. In fact the U.S. and Britain imposed restrictions on arms coming into Palestine (which is what the place was called then) BECAUSE they were… terrorists.
So, I'm very aware of the pro-Israeli revisionism that insists the Arabs have always attacked Israel but it's just not true.
Peewee wrote:
International law means nothing, sovereignty does, otherwise, you are not a free independent nation.
It's funny how you say that sovereignty justifies the violation of international agreements by a country who's very sovereignty was granted to them by... international agreements.
Peewee wrote:
I'm glad Israel is standing up to those meddling into their affairs.
Israel isn't standing up to anyone, the U.S. is. If not for us, the modern state of Israel would not have persevered and would probably never have even existed in the first place. Israel was a dumping ground for Jewish refugees that we didn't want to accept into our own country. Since then it has become a strategic base for American interests in the M.E.
Peewee wrote:
Palestinians were trapped in Israel by Muslims countries who refused to allow them to immigrate, most were originally Jordanians.
This is true to some extent, except they weren't trapped in Israel, they were trapped on their own land by hostile forces. The neighboring Muslim nations were hesitant to open up their borders to refugees thinking that it would be better to fix the problem at it's root and push the invading force out of the occupied territories. So far they haven't had much success.
Peewee wrote:
After years Israel is finally kicking out the left funded NGOs who only cause problems and lie.
The "problems" those NGOs were causing was the exposure of truth and the right-wing Likuds have little tolerance for truth or justice. It's harder to justify the oppression of people when the truth keeps leaking out. ;)