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Jul 14, 2019 18:38:28   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
archie bunker wrote:
Front door? They are storming the border. The front door is through embassies, and legal means.
Tom,
Let's push to change the asylum laws if you're so worried about these folks that you don't have to deal with. My state has been invaded, and I'm sick of it! We all are!
Recently, my son kicked a roofing crew off his property because not a one spoke English, or could produce an ID. All wetbacks.

That's in your wheelhouse, and could eventually affect you. Why are you so squishy on this?
Front door? They are storming the border. The fron... (show quote)


I am not squishy - This situation is affecting more than just the alien. I can be sympathetic about that. There does have to be order where there is none. My only concern is ---legal or not we are dealing with human beings --many innocent children. Getting Mexico to step up to the plate and give these people a chance to have a home would be a blessing in this case. On our part I care if human beings interred within our borders are given at least as good of treatment as our American prisoners.

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Jul 14, 2019 19:06:22   #
woodguru
 
We know with great certainty we can't believe anything Trump says

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Jul 14, 2019 19:52:18   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I am not squishy - This situation is affecting more than just the alien. I can be sympathetic about that. There does have to be order where there is none. My only concern is ---legal or not we are dealing with human beings --many innocent children. Getting Mexico to step up to the plate and give these people a chance to have a home would be a blessing in this case. On our part I care if human beings interred within our borders are given at least as good of treatment as our American prisoners.


American prisoners have rights via the US Constitution Tom. Foreigners don't in my opinion. Especially foreigners who play our system.
I keep refiguring this, but I figure that, even living in Texas, I get to keep about 51 cents out of the money I've worked for, and earned. Why should a forth of my labor go to support people who won't assimilate, fly their countries flag in my country, and hate me because of the color of my skin, and my Nationality.

Tom, if America is so awful, why does everyone want to come here?

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Jul 14, 2019 23:33:55   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
archie bunker wrote:
American prisoners have rights via the US Constitution Tom. Foreigners don't in my opinion. Especially foreigners who play our system.
I keep refiguring this, but I figure that, even living in Texas, I get to keep about 51 cents out of the money I've worked for, and earned. Why should a forth of my labor go to support people who won't assimilate, fly their countries flag in my country, and hate me because of the color of my skin, and my Nationality.

Tom, if America is so awful, why does everyone want to come here?
American prisoners have rights via the US Constitu... (show quote)
I get a different figure on taxpayers contribution on social programs but it is still high at 9% out of every dollar. That could go a long way toward making life better for people who work. I personally would like to abolish all taxes on the working man and make sure that the bigshots who get their riches from the labor of the worker paid taxes. That will never happen but it is how I feel. I came from a town where the Indians and Whites hate each other and every body hates the Mexicans and the few Blacks just went to church. I don't wish to live there again so I have had a taste of prejudice. America is just the best country in the world despite our many social ills. We have freedom of choice and the opportunity to pursue a way of life and if you are from a country where this is not happening America looks mighty good. Another thought of mine not an arguement but what if we send troops in to these Latin American countries and straighten some crap out. Teach the people how to fight and turn their countries into a place where they want to live.

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Jul 15, 2019 01:29:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Not that I have personally witnessed.
However it is all over the news that Immigrants are being kept in squalid conditions. There are people saying this is not true and that all the news about it and pictures are from the Obama and Clinton administrations. Some one is a liar and a gaslighter.


Hi Tom...

I agree that the 'news' has portrayed some pretty gruesome situations... But I think that they are all concerning asylum seekers and illegal immigrants...

We need to promote law and order..Not hand out freebies to allcomers...

I do sympathize with team truly needy...

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Jul 15, 2019 01:32:37   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I get a different figure on taxpayers contribution on social programs but it is still high at 9% out of every dollar. That could go a long way toward making life better for people who work. I personally would like to abolish all taxes on the working man and make sure that the bigshots who get their riches from the labor of the worker paid taxes. That will never happen but it is how I feel. I came from a town where the Indians and Whites hate each other and every body hates the Mexicans and the few Blacks just went to church. I don't wish to live there again so I have had a taste of prejudice. America is just the best country in the world despite our many social ills. We have freedom of choice and the opportunity to pursue a way of life and if you are from a country where this is not happening America looks mighty good. Another thought of mine not an arguement but what if we send troops in to these Latin American countries and straighten some crap out. Teach the people how to fight and turn their countries into a place where they want to live.
I get a different figure on taxpayers contribution... (show quote)


I come from a place where the Indians and whites don't get along well,..but I disagree with your solution...

Stop Interefering wit others... Enforce your own borders anyway of life and allow other nations to do the same...

America first... KAG

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Jul 15, 2019 06:14:46   #
Dan the man
 
Kevyn, please return to Hobby Lobby. They are still looking
over the closed circuit tapes when you messed up the
wood letters. I'm sure they want to give you a medal.

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Jul 15, 2019 06:24:33   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
bmac32 wrote:
The reaction is now predictable: Argue for treating undocumented immigrants humanely on American soil and you’ll find yourself accused of believing in “open borders.” As if it’s a binary, either/or position. You either believe in building Trump’s “Great Wall.” You believe in separating children from their parents at the U.S. border. You believe in removing undocumented immigrants from the country who have lived here for decades. Or you believe in “open borders.” It’s a blunt rhetorical trick. It’s crass. But it works. So it’s employed by everyone from the current president down to the many supporters and trolls who carry his water on social media.

https://medium.com/s/story/few-americans-want-open-borders-democrats-included-dba12884c133
The reaction is now predictable: Argue for treatin... (show quote)




Not so. The humane treatment you are speaking of is denied by democrats because they won't fund it. The reason our facilities are overcrowded is because of the numbers (100,000 just last month)( that's more than 3300 per day). If you believe that illegal aliens, border jumpers, refugees, or whatever you choose to call them, should be allowed to walk across our border unhindered while receiving the best of care ( care that citizens NEVER get) then you are guilty of the term "open borders". If you believe that children shouldn't be separated from their lawbreaking parents ( and many times, sex traffickers) while not caring about the 4,000,000 American children separated from their lawbreaking parents, then, again, the term "open borders" fits you.
I suggest you look up my thread titled "What the heck? This is unreal!!!" to see what has REALLY happened down Mexico way.

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Jul 15, 2019 07:08:24   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I come from a place where the Indians and whites don't get along well,..but I disagree with your solution...

Stop Interefering wit others... Enforce your own borders anyway of life and allow other nations to do the same...

America first... KAG


The problem will remain then and that itself is unacceptable. People call me a liberal but I am a war hawk. If you want those little brown people to stay home they must have a home they can stay in and live free and prosper. We prop up countries with oil riches and strategic locations on the other side of the planet but we don't open up a can of whoop ass here in the western hemisphere where we need too. If I lived in a country where what I worked for was stolen from me by armed gangs and corrupt governments I would leave and so would you.

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Jul 15, 2019 07:49:58   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Open border is the last thing I want! Of course it's overcrowded, no country can take 100,000 a month and not have problems and democrats are right this is a manufactured crises, manufactured by democrats.




maximus wrote:
Not so. The humane treatment you are speaking of is denied by democrats because they won't fund it. The reason our facilities are overcrowded is because of the numbers (100,000 just last month)( that's more than 3300 per day). If you believe that illegal aliens, border jumpers, refugees, or whatever you choose to call them, should be allowed to walk across our border unhindered while receiving the best of care ( care that citizens NEVER get) then you are guilty of the term "open borders". If you believe that children shouldn't be separated from their lawbreaking parents ( and many times, sex traffickers) while not caring about the 4,000,000 American children separated from their lawbreaking parents, then, again, the term "open borders" fits you.
I suggest you look up my thread titled "What the heck? This is unreal!!!" to see what has REALLY happened down Mexico way.
Not so. The humane treatment you are speaking of i... (show quote)

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Jul 15, 2019 08:28:54   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
bmac32 wrote:
Open border is the last thing I want! Of course it's overcrowded, no country can take 100,000 a month and not have problems and democrats are right this is a manufactured crises, manufactured by democrats.


I'm beginning to think I may have misinterpreted your post. If so, I apologize. I've been up all night...unable to go to sleep.

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Jul 15, 2019 09:45:03   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
bmac32 wrote:
Open border is the last thing I want! Of course it's overcrowded, no country can take 100,000 a month and not have problems and democrats are right this is a manufactured crises, manufactured by democrats.


Ahh yes its the democrats as always----The perfect scapegoats. Scapegoats -slogans- rallies---All the conditions are there for he final solution.

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Jul 15, 2019 09:50:01   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
bmac32 wrote:
The reaction is now predictable: Argue for treating undocumented immigrants humanely on American soil and you’ll find yourself accused of believing in “open borders.” As if it’s a binary, either/or position. You either believe in building Trump’s “Great Wall.” You believe in separating children from their parents at the U.S. border. You believe in removing undocumented immigrants from the country who have lived here for decades. Or you believe in “open borders.” It’s a blunt rhetorical trick. It’s crass. But it works. So it’s employed by everyone from the current president down to the many supporters and trolls who carry his water on social media.

https://medium.com/s/story/few-americans-want-open-borders-democrats-included-dba12884c133
The reaction is now predictable: Argue for treatin... (show quote)


Believe a dem by their actions not their falsehoods, twists, deception, out and out lies, or their treasonous attempts to unseat the President before he even came in office. They all belong in jail! How can you believe them???

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Jul 15, 2019 09:56:47   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
Believe a dem by their actions not their falsehoods, twists, deception, out and out lies, or their treasonous attempts to unseat the President before he even came in office. They all belong in jail! Hoe can you believe them???


482 days to go.

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Jul 15, 2019 11:11:00   #
knightrider
 
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government.

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/

“AMERICA”
“ LIVE IT - LOVE IT”
“OR GET THE HELL OUT”

Progressive Liberals in both parties is systematically tearing down our country from it’s framers, making the United States dependent on other countries and turn it into a SOCIALIST COUNTRY!

(Mr. Smith “Donald Trump” go’s to Washington) was not programed by the ranks into the President slot! That is why he got voted in office!! Just that your to NAIVE to see it or under stand it!!

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